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yes hello from the high peaks Wilderness

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I bet you all a good evening good

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be Across the Nation around the world my

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invisible night school

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for those of you just joining us the

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invisible night school is a small

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Consortium of lay researchers and

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and the phenomenon ins is not a monolith

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we represent varied ideas backgrounds

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benevolent dictatorship so if you're a

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um so that said I'd love to welcome my

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lovely co-hosts we have our resident

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dubious Layman Nick hello

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I'm not going to kick you off as long as

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you're not a jerk well you get co-host

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dispensation you're allowed to be a jerk

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um

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good to see you don't kick me off either

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I won't kick you off but you're never a

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jerk well that's okay I'll try and then

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of course Campbell

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hello you can kick me off if you want

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so there's there's going on right now uh

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I feel like in the UFO World

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um do tell right when we were talking in

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the green room before the show uh the

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big thing that I said was I didn't think

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there was any more juice left to squeeze

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out of Bob Lazar and then we had this

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big article come out this week about his

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first wife who apparently was wrapped up

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in some kind of like murder plot with

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um gnarly so yes super gnarly also

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includes an amazing picture of the very

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young Bob Lazar full with like long hair

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um and then we also have the Baghdad

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resident was our guy do you wanna you

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wanna kind of fill us in on this yeah

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yeah so it signals intelligence

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um put out a new article about Carol it

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was a lazar's first wife

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asking um on Twitter like who cares if

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Carol was doing that stuff like it

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organization so

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it is relevant so you're saying I could

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Global access can you get a library

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called Leo I can get a library card

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thank you and I first I miraculously got

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TSA pre-check

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it excellent Louise I wanted to hear

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your opinion about that um it was like

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that article that came out last spring

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former uh lab technicians and physicists

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install some of the machines here and

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government including Llano who had a

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how long he could have worked there

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they they pretty much all say that Lazar

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liked him a lot oh nice imagine the

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drift on there oh my God

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yeah what one of the people in the

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something when he's interested in it but

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something like an MIT master's degree he

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clout Chaser he likes to kind of attach

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his appearance was like such a big thing

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on Rogan right and uh so many people

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embarrassing when he keeps on like being

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like pathetic my migraine I don't know

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migraine okay remembered and it's like

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dude come on you've been telling the

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story for like 30 years like what's

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going on here it's just like nervousness

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he's got so many problems with the

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backstory and then he doesn't like

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present something convincing when I've

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seen him speak it's always a little bit

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um would you could you um go back to

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is a um Department of energy

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um security clearance and it lets you

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work on certain restricted projects um

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could have had one but um you don't need

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a degree for that you just need yeah and

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it doesn't mean that he was actually

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involved in the most secret stuff he

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could have could have just been involved

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in some maintenance

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um checking systems and things like that

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all right he did work at lateral for

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sure he worked at Lano but he wasn't

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an employee of Lionel per se who was an

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outsourced employee of kirkmeyer

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like a contractor yeah yeah

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that's interesting I think maybe we

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should do like a whole thing on Lazar

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sometime you've you've done a lot we

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told her I should do you know who else

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has done a ton of research is Jeff Jeff

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the other day that he spent over a

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hundred thousand dollars in two years

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researching Bob Lazar wow I'm not sure I

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brag about that on the internet yeah Bob

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was art show he would be a good person

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to have on

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um so so we actually have someone

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backstage so I'm gonna bring him on

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hey friend well guys hey what's going on

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just hanging out here I got the invite

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from Campbell and I've kind of snooped

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around on the channel a little bit to

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try to get up to speed so uh I'm down to

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talk about some UFOs man nice great to

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see you uh I was hoping that you'd be

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able to make it here but you know so I

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know you from uh Reddit our UFO science

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you're the the Creator founder of our

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UFO science and uh just a couple years

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ago I became a moderator on there

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um the community I was the first

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Community I found where like you were

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emphasizing number one good faith

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dialogue and you're keeping the

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conversation at a level where I felt

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like happy to engage without it being

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like devoted to sort of like the most

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um you know extreme possibilities and I

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was curious like What mo what inspired

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you to start that community and get that

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going

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um frustration mainly you know

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um you know I'm basically participating

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all the UFO Subs on Reddit you know back

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in the day I used to kind of lurk on

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Above Top Secret and I think there was

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another like UFO Nation or something

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like that I think that's where I first

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saw the Tic Tac video back in the day so

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I've kind of had that passing interest

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and been part of the UFO discourse you

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know off and on over the years but you

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know I kind of saw several posts on the

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UFO subs and people were like oh you

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know we should start a more serious sub

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and uh you know I just had a kid like

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she's almost three now you know but

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finally I just bit the bull and I'm like

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you know what Ethan I'm just gonna start

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uh UFO science sub and I'm like you know

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what do you call it but uh you know

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because it's like basically

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pseudoscience as far as anybody serious

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is concerned but hey you know I just

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tried it and uh you know luckily you

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know we I think we made it to the front

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page one day so we got you know we're

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not huge which is kind of nice because I

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really don't have time to be you know

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babysitting all these posts and

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everything but uh yeah you know like you

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said the the good faith discussion is

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the main thing like there's so many like

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troll posts and so many like just bad

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faith hot takes with the UFO topic I'm

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like there's got to be a way to kind of

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cut down on some of the signal to noise

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with this topic and you know try to get

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some more serious discussion going so

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here we are you know

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what's your favorite case

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you know I've

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they asked me what the best case is I

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still lean towards the you know the Tic

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Tac

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you know clear one case you know mainly

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because we that's where I see the most

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evidence right now you know we have you

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know the pilot testimony which you know

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we've had high quality witness testimony

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going back

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you know decades but in this case we

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actually have a video to go along with

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it so we're like what we know the video

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the pilot saw something there so I'm

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like you know kind of there's there's

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the video to back up the claim which

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really goes a long way you know people

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will kind of go in there and they say oh

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we also have radar data too and like uh

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we have testimony of radar data so to me

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that's not the same thing as having you

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know three

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basically data points but you know we

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got two so

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it's pretty intriguing to me that's what

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really brought me back interested in the

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topic so

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mm-hmm

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Nick sorry I cut you off Nick oh I lost

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my train of thought you ruined it what

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uh what are your thoughts on Bob Lazar

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talking about the Joe Rogan thing like

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yeah that was definitely painful to

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watch you know and uh the points that

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Joe Rogan makes on Bob Bazaar are like

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the biggest nine points ever it's like

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oh he's never changed his story he he's

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kind of changed the story like he's

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gotten like increasingly like more vague

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over the details over the years you know

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like at one point you know he talked

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about how he saw you know a hangar with

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multiple UFOs but like a battle damaged

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UFO a black diamond UFO if memory serves

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and then he's kind of gotten away from

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all that over the years you know he saw

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an alien body but oh well then maybe it

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was just a stage thing like yeah so the

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story's changed you know and then that

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whole He predicted element 151 or

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whatever like again you know that's kind

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of you know not very impressive not hard

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to figure out especially you know when

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you kind of look back and you see some

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of the discussions about you know

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islands of stability for high atomic

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number elements around the time when Bob

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was on was kind of going live with all

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this stuff it's like it was kind of in

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the you know nerd spear discourse at the

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time so

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it's not super surprising to me you know

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what I thought

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was interesting was when Weinstein was

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on Rogan recently and he's like oh uh

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let's get why don't we get Bob Lazar to

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come on and talk to you and I'm just

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like that's never gonna happen there's

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no way Lazar he had to fake a headache I

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don't know you know it's a cool story

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but I there's no way he's ever gonna get

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in front of anybody serious and get uh

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you know the screws put to him

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right all you would need is someone with

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some perfunctory familiarity with

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college physics to have a conversation

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with him and that would pretty much blow

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up the entire thing

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yeah yeah

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I don't see it happening

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another uh another new story that we

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teased a little bit have you seen uh

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have you seen these frames these uh

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these Baghdad Phantom frames that Korbel

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released

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I thought that was pretty interesting

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you know again it's Corbell you know so

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sure you know like I try not to you know

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play like my UFO good guys and bad guys

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thing you know it's kind of one thing on

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the UFO science sub is we're like big on

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no name calling like don't call people a

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grifter unless you really have something

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credible that you can say you know but

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if you don't like somebody you know

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let's it doesn't have to be all hugs and

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getting along but let's you know go back

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to the facts and you know with uh Jeremy

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Corbell you know he's kind of

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sensationalizes everything

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uh you know he really relies on his

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secret witness testimony

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and again you know we've we've had you

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know Real Witness testimony from

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credible Witnesses in the past in

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ufology for years so again when I hear

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somebody tell me oh well you know

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credible Witnesses told me this but we

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don't know who the credible Witnesses

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are we don't have a quote from them you

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know all we have is this kind of very

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granular

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uh video I'm like it's interesting I

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actually saw John greenwald's video on

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it recently I don't know if you guys saw

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it and he was kind of I haven't seen

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that what what was what was greenwald's

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take on this

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um he was surprisingly optimistic about

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it you know his whole thing is you know

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he's like you know Korbel and nap kind

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of you know do their own thing

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and um you know persuasive commentary

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here from YouTube commenter spank flaps

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that sums it up though you know but uh

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it was interesting because green wall

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doesn't ever really get into video

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analysis but he did do some show some

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close-ups because people were some

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people were debating they're like oh we

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can see you know a propulsion exhausts

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in the air but um you know Greenwell was

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like well when you zoom in on this kind

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of it looks like a punctuated

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exhaust like plume maybe something like

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that but he's like you know the kind of

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the size and shape looks exactly like

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the object like it's a ghost image from

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the same object so maybe it's an image

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artifact or something with the frame

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rates but not necessarily exhaust so I'm

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like I don't know it's one of these

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things where I just got to throw my

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hands up in there and be like yeah it's

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kind of cool but without more evidence

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you hit him in the beginning there's no

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provenance for this video really or it's

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not even a video it's

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frames from a video and it also kind of

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seems like it's um kind of arbitrarily

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picked frames because they don't it

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doesn't quite line up I've seen people

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kind of reconstruct it

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um a few different sources reconstructed

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and it seems like it's you know like

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frame like three five eight nine it's

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kind of pulled out so it makes you kind

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of Wonder like what's in this video what

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are we seeing and hearing in this video

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that that is removed and

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you know it it is being kind of

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pushed it is being kind of

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sensationalized like you said so it

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makes me wonder it makes me wonder if

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they're kind of drumming up the mystery

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because this is a it's a projectile in

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Wartime right or it's it's a moving

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object in Wartime with no provenance so

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I mean it's it's hard to kind of

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consider it like you said it is just

510
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it's kind of interesting looking but you

511
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can't really take anything away from it

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yeah I was surprised to see Greenwald uh

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take a stand on it actually like you

514
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were saying I'm sorry yeah

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I was just gonna say a question from a

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long time uh viewer swink why didn't

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I'm sure we would all like to know that

518
00:21:23,270 --> 00:21:21,179
yeah because I mean the uh the kind of

519
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common reason why you don't see part of

520
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that is because it um it would reveal

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00:21:28,789 --> 00:21:26,520
classified information right but if

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these are false green caps from a video

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what what would be in those that aren't

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in these screenshots

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you might not even have the video true

526
00:21:40,430 --> 00:21:38,340
yeah well then you have to wonder you

527
00:21:42,289 --> 00:21:40,440
know there was that video a couple years

528
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ago where first we got the screen it was

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around the Batman balloon time you know

530
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where there was all those and then we'd

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get a screenshot words are the most

532
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laughs

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but you know we got three frames from

534
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this big video that was hype you know

535
00:22:02,270 --> 00:21:59,940
maybe it was me hyping it up in my own

536
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mind I don't know but again you know so

537
00:22:05,930 --> 00:22:03,960
if we get the video this is it just

538
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gonna be you know three frames or I mean

539
00:22:08,570 --> 00:22:07,140
I guess in this case it'd be a couple

540
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more than that but

541
00:22:11,510 --> 00:22:10,200
probably gonna be a lot less impressive

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than

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so I have a question for you I always

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like to ask people this particularly if

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they've had an interest in ufology or

546
00:22:25,549 --> 00:22:23,880
high strangeness for a long period how

547
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have your views on UFOs changed over

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00:22:28,190 --> 00:22:26,460
time

549
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either on the subject or on the

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phenomena itself however you want to

551
00:22:35,510 --> 00:22:31,740
interpret that question I'd just love to

552
00:22:37,430 --> 00:22:35,520
hear how your ideas have uh have evolved

553
00:22:39,470 --> 00:22:37,440
well that's a good one you know like I

554
00:22:41,870 --> 00:22:39,480
was born in 84 so you know I was kind of

555
00:22:45,289 --> 00:22:41,880
raised on all the you know X-Files

556
00:22:47,630 --> 00:22:45,299
Unsolved Mysteries like all that UFO

557
00:22:49,610 --> 00:22:47,640
stuff um I have family in Gulf Breeze

558
00:22:51,710 --> 00:22:49,620
Florida so kind of growing up and

559
00:22:52,850 --> 00:22:51,720
visiting there a lot as a kid you know

560
00:22:54,950 --> 00:22:52,860
you would hear all the kind of local

561
00:22:57,110 --> 00:22:54,960
rumors and stories and stuff like that

562
00:22:58,909 --> 00:22:57,120
you know there's the Ed water I think Ed

563
00:23:01,490 --> 00:22:58,919
Waters was his name maybe

564
00:23:03,470 --> 00:23:01,500
um I think so

565
00:23:05,510 --> 00:23:03,480
so you know kind of growing up in Gulf

566
00:23:07,730 --> 00:23:05,520
Breeze that was always something that

567
00:23:09,590 --> 00:23:07,740
was kind of I don't know made me feel

568
00:23:10,610 --> 00:23:09,600
maybe closer to the topic than some

569
00:23:12,529 --> 00:23:10,620
people

570
00:23:14,270 --> 00:23:12,539
but you know also the kind of

571
00:23:15,470 --> 00:23:14,280
just to take a sidebar you know the

572
00:23:18,049 --> 00:23:15,480
thing about Gulf Breeze a lot of people

573
00:23:20,090 --> 00:23:18,059
don't realize is that's like right it's

574
00:23:22,070 --> 00:23:20,100
you're about five hours south of

575
00:23:23,750 --> 00:23:22,080
Huntsville Alabama and you're like right

576
00:23:26,590 --> 00:23:23,760
in the middle of several major military

577
00:23:30,289 --> 00:23:26,600
bases there's like three military bases

578
00:23:32,270 --> 00:23:30,299
Pensacola Florida Fort Walton Beach

579
00:23:34,909 --> 00:23:32,280
all up and down that Gulf Coast there

580
00:23:37,789 --> 00:23:34,919
there's military bases so you know it's

581
00:23:40,070 --> 00:23:37,799
and I uh Fort Walton is also a known

582
00:23:42,830 --> 00:23:40,080
area where they train drone Pilots

583
00:23:45,110 --> 00:23:42,840
so you can only imagine like how much

584
00:23:48,289 --> 00:23:45,120
like interesting crazy you know

585
00:23:51,230 --> 00:23:48,299
governments Tech is buzzing around over

586
00:23:52,730 --> 00:23:51,240
there you know but um back to the

587
00:23:54,710 --> 00:23:52,740
original question my views on the topic

588
00:23:56,990 --> 00:23:54,720
you know it just kind of comes and goes

589
00:23:59,630 --> 00:23:57,000
you know I'll kind of get interested in

590
00:24:02,510 --> 00:23:59,640
the topic for a while and then I'm like

591
00:24:04,909 --> 00:24:02,520
there's really no satisfactory answer so

592
00:24:07,370 --> 00:24:04,919
then I'll leave then come back leave

593
00:24:08,390 --> 00:24:07,380
come back you know after I guess you

594
00:24:10,430 --> 00:24:08,400
know

595
00:24:11,930 --> 00:24:10,440
the last couple years I've just kind of

596
00:24:13,490 --> 00:24:11,940
dipped out of the topic a little bit

597
00:24:14,750 --> 00:24:13,500
just kind of you know kind of check back

598
00:24:18,110 --> 00:24:14,760
in every now and then and say oh

599
00:24:20,450 --> 00:24:18,120
anything interesting going on but um you

600
00:24:23,210 --> 00:24:20,460
know I think they kind of uh changed up

601
00:24:25,310 --> 00:24:23,220
the Consciousness aspects of the topic

602
00:24:29,149 --> 00:24:25,320
is something that's

603
00:24:31,130 --> 00:24:29,159
um a little more into now

604
00:24:33,710 --> 00:24:31,140
um you know reading uh stuff from like

605
00:24:35,930 --> 00:24:33,720
Donald Hoffman and Michael Talbot's you

606
00:24:38,210 --> 00:24:35,940
know holographic Universe kind of stuff

607
00:24:39,770 --> 00:24:38,220
kind of makes me like Wonder okay you

608
00:24:42,049 --> 00:24:39,780
know maybe maybe there's a little

609
00:24:44,330 --> 00:24:42,059
something more to it you know than uh

610
00:24:45,770 --> 00:24:44,340
just the nuts and bolts thing yeah I was

611
00:24:47,930 --> 00:24:45,780
going to ask you what your thoughts were

612
00:24:50,630 --> 00:24:47,940
on it is physical phenomenon versus

613
00:24:51,250 --> 00:24:50,640
metaphysical or

614
00:24:54,049 --> 00:24:51,260
um

615
00:24:56,029 --> 00:24:54,059
non-material phenomena

616
00:24:58,070 --> 00:24:56,039
I mean that that's a good question you

617
00:25:00,049 --> 00:24:58,080
know it's kind of goes back to what is

618
00:25:02,750 --> 00:25:00,059
the arthi Arthur C Clarke quote anything

619
00:25:04,430 --> 00:25:02,760
any technology sufficiently advances

620
00:25:07,549 --> 00:25:04,440
indistinguishable from Magic or

621
00:25:09,409 --> 00:25:07,559
something like that you know so you know

622
00:25:11,270 --> 00:25:09,419
our limited kind of perception of the

623
00:25:13,190 --> 00:25:11,280
universe and what it is

624
00:25:16,250 --> 00:25:13,200
you know maybe it seems like some kind

625
00:25:18,409 --> 00:25:16,260
of extra dimensional Consciousness thing

626
00:25:19,850 --> 00:25:18,419
but you know it probably has some roots

627
00:25:22,850 --> 00:25:19,860
and some nuts and bolts somewhere if

628
00:25:24,590 --> 00:25:22,860
there's anything to it so you know I'm

629
00:25:26,630 --> 00:25:24,600
open to it I think you know that may be

630
00:25:28,970 --> 00:25:26,640
where we find the answers like I you

631
00:25:30,529 --> 00:25:28,980
know some of the most satisfactory

632
00:25:32,750 --> 00:25:30,539
answers the questions that I've had

633
00:25:34,549 --> 00:25:32,760
about ufology have come from non-ufo

634
00:25:36,890 --> 00:25:34,559
related sources I guess you know like

635
00:25:39,950 --> 00:25:36,900
reading about you know Donald Hoffman

636
00:25:42,830 --> 00:25:39,960
and cool and boom you know another guy

637
00:25:44,090 --> 00:25:42,840
you know just to name a few you know and

638
00:25:45,890 --> 00:25:44,100
even you know for a while you know I was

639
00:25:47,690 --> 00:25:45,900
into reading you know about like

640
00:25:49,210 --> 00:25:47,700
Buddhism and stuff like that just kind

641
00:25:51,710 --> 00:25:49,220
of different theories on Consciousness

642
00:25:53,149 --> 00:25:51,720
and uh you know even some you know a

643
00:25:56,630 --> 00:25:53,159
little bit of psychedelic uh

644
00:25:58,909 --> 00:25:56,640
experimentation kind of will uh jog your

645
00:26:01,810 --> 00:25:58,919
brain muscles you're fitting right in

646
00:26:06,070 --> 00:26:01,820
here at is just so you know

647
00:26:11,110 --> 00:26:08,210
yeah we definitely don't shy away from

648
00:26:14,149 --> 00:26:11,120
the psychedelics talk the password

649
00:26:16,310 --> 00:26:14,159
yeah I know all of it yeah yeah we try

650
00:26:17,990 --> 00:26:16,320
to get in on everything

651
00:26:19,430 --> 00:26:18,000
it was I was saying before the show I'm

652
00:26:21,830 --> 00:26:19,440
actually sitting a retreat right now

653
00:26:23,570 --> 00:26:21,840
like a working Retreat

654
00:26:25,490 --> 00:26:23,580
um so I'm meditating right now between

655
00:26:26,810 --> 00:26:25,500
like three and six hours a day and then

656
00:26:28,190 --> 00:26:26,820
when I'm not meditating I've been just

657
00:26:29,990 --> 00:26:28,200
been skiing

658
00:26:33,409 --> 00:26:30,000
um and it has been it's a weird week

659
00:26:36,230 --> 00:26:33,419
like it's very strange to be like live

660
00:26:38,870 --> 00:26:36,240
streaming in the middle of all this

661
00:26:40,370 --> 00:26:38,880
that's the strange part yeah that's the

662
00:26:42,710 --> 00:26:40,380
strangest part it's the live stream

663
00:26:45,289 --> 00:26:42,720
stuff

664
00:26:47,930 --> 00:26:45,299
many worlds it's interesting I uh I see

665
00:26:49,549 --> 00:26:47,940
king milk fart in the chat uh saying not

666
00:26:50,210 --> 00:26:49,559
a missile I wonder

667
00:26:52,970 --> 00:26:50,220
um

668
00:26:55,010 --> 00:26:52,980
milk fart you should join ins and come

669
00:26:56,810 --> 00:26:55,020
on yeah he should come on I wanna I

670
00:26:58,909 --> 00:26:56,820
wanna hear his take on that because like

671
00:27:02,210 --> 00:26:58,919
I've I've seen a little bit of the

672
00:27:04,130 --> 00:27:02,220
arguments on both sides and like I said

673
00:27:07,570 --> 00:27:04,140
I'm a bit out of the loop now so like

674
00:27:11,210 --> 00:27:07,580
I'd like to hear um

675
00:27:12,710 --> 00:27:11,220
if you guys are brave enough right yeah

676
00:27:17,090 --> 00:27:12,720
I thought that was interesting like

677
00:27:20,090 --> 00:27:17,100
Greenwald Junior uh posting that Twitter

678
00:27:21,769 --> 00:27:20,100
um uh Thread about it and he was uh you

679
00:27:25,010 --> 00:27:21,779
know I don't think I've seen him sort of

680
00:27:28,970 --> 00:27:25,020
lean into a UFO video like that before

681
00:27:31,070 --> 00:27:28,980
he was drawing attention you have no I'm

682
00:27:32,990 --> 00:27:31,080
saying I don't think yes yeah yeah it

683
00:27:34,909 --> 00:27:33,000
was it was unusual and he was drawing

684
00:27:36,649 --> 00:27:34,919
attention to that exact uh thing Pastor

685
00:27:40,549 --> 00:27:36,659
Commander that you were describing how

686
00:27:42,409 --> 00:27:40,559
it looked like the uh the trail was

687
00:27:44,990 --> 00:27:42,419
actually a series of uh like ghost

688
00:27:47,029 --> 00:27:45,000
images of the object itself and then um

689
00:27:49,490 --> 00:27:47,039
like the immediate response I saw

690
00:27:51,529 --> 00:27:49,500
somewhere on Reddit was like well it

691
00:27:53,630 --> 00:27:51,539
could just be a missile whose uh fuel

692
00:27:55,970 --> 00:27:53,640
had run out and it is still traveling

693
00:27:57,649 --> 00:27:55,980
forward with that the fuel going and

694
00:28:00,470 --> 00:27:57,659
it's like well it's kind of like the

695
00:28:02,930 --> 00:28:00,480
Calvin photo where that's more likely

696
00:28:05,690 --> 00:28:02,940
than something extraordinary so

697
00:28:07,430 --> 00:28:05,700
that we have to sort of

698
00:28:09,350 --> 00:28:07,440
think that that's the most likely

699
00:28:11,029 --> 00:28:09,360
explanation until there's extraordinary

700
00:28:12,529 --> 00:28:11,039
evidence providing support for

701
00:28:13,870 --> 00:28:12,539
Extraordinary claims

702
00:28:16,430 --> 00:28:13,880
sure

703
00:28:19,789 --> 00:28:16,440
it could be a mortar shell

704
00:28:21,830 --> 00:28:19,799
as well not just a missile okay

705
00:28:23,330 --> 00:28:21,840
none of this is in my wheelhouse at all

706
00:28:25,250 --> 00:28:23,340
but I do like hearing people kind of

707
00:28:27,110 --> 00:28:25,260
pick apart the video like that uh the

708
00:28:29,090 --> 00:28:27,120
description she between whether it's a

709
00:28:31,970 --> 00:28:29,100
trail or just kind of uh artifact thing

710
00:28:33,409 --> 00:28:31,980
was really interesting it's it's an

711
00:28:34,850 --> 00:28:33,419
interesting video what is he saying

712
00:28:37,130 --> 00:28:34,860
missiles are over 100 degrees Fahrenheit

713
00:28:39,169 --> 00:28:37,140
for hours after impacting the ground

714
00:28:41,269 --> 00:28:39,179
oh right so

715
00:28:43,490 --> 00:28:41,279
um in the video

716
00:28:45,890 --> 00:28:43,500
White's hot right and black is cold and

717
00:28:48,590 --> 00:28:45,900
the uh the object appeared black

718
00:28:50,510 --> 00:28:48,600
right I'm not I'm not too familiar with

719
00:28:52,850 --> 00:28:50,520
um infrared Imaging or anything like

720
00:28:57,909 --> 00:28:52,860
that but um I don't think anybody is

721
00:29:03,649 --> 00:28:59,990
it's on the internet are losing their

722
00:29:06,529 --> 00:29:03,659
[\h__\h] yeah forgive me Specialists well so

723
00:29:09,409 --> 00:29:06,539
is it um is it relative or is it like

724
00:29:11,210 --> 00:29:09,419
each shade is like indicative of a

725
00:29:13,430 --> 00:29:11,220
numbered temperature does anything

726
00:29:15,769 --> 00:29:13,440
fascinating that's a good question what

727
00:29:18,769 --> 00:29:15,779
I was seeing in the arguments uh in the

728
00:29:20,510 --> 00:29:18,779
you know stuff before is that um it is

729
00:29:22,250 --> 00:29:20,520
relative that it is cooler and then

730
00:29:25,010 --> 00:29:22,260
there was the argument was that like

731
00:29:27,470 --> 00:29:25,020
depending on the time of day in Baghdad

732
00:29:30,350 --> 00:29:27,480
the ground could be extraordinarily hot

733
00:29:32,990 --> 00:29:30,360
so uh it's okay say a ton about the

734
00:29:35,110 --> 00:29:33,000
missiles if it's a missile that's that's

735
00:29:39,830 --> 00:29:35,120
it

736
00:29:41,690 --> 00:29:39,840
comment from swink here uh Greenwald

737
00:29:44,389 --> 00:29:41,700
multiple times even said to go check out

738
00:29:47,750 --> 00:29:44,399
corbill and Knapp's website thought that

739
00:29:49,970 --> 00:29:47,760
was odd too I wonder I mean you know I I

740
00:29:51,470 --> 00:29:49,980
certainly don't want to assume anything

741
00:29:53,510 --> 00:29:51,480
but I also wonder how much of this may

742
00:29:56,330 --> 00:29:53,520
be some degree of like damage control or

743
00:29:58,990 --> 00:29:56,340
diplomacy from Greenwald to try and bend

744
00:30:01,610 --> 00:29:59,000
fences with like ufology in general

745
00:30:03,110 --> 00:30:01,620
right oh are people upset with him now

746
00:30:05,269 --> 00:30:03,120
or something I don't know people are

747
00:30:10,970 --> 00:30:05,279
dude it's it's beautiful Twitter people

748
00:30:14,450 --> 00:30:12,470
of something that I don't know he sold

749
00:30:17,330 --> 00:30:14,460
some like sex toy on his eBay store in

750
00:30:19,549 --> 00:30:17,340
UFC yeah he actually blocked me right

751
00:30:21,889 --> 00:30:19,559
before I got rid of my Twitter really

752
00:30:24,850 --> 00:30:21,899
really yeah I asked him if he was going

753
00:30:27,590 --> 00:30:24,860
to spank that kid I probably should

754
00:30:32,269 --> 00:30:27,600
okay that would be a blockable comment I

755
00:30:35,330 --> 00:30:32,279
mean whatever yeah whatever man whatever

756
00:30:36,470 --> 00:30:35,340
oh it's incredible yeah I don't know I

757
00:30:37,669 --> 00:30:36,480
think the discussion around the video is

758
00:30:39,409 --> 00:30:37,679
fun like just like I thought the

759
00:30:40,310 --> 00:30:39,419
discussion around the uh the Calvin

760
00:30:42,710 --> 00:30:40,320
photo

761
00:30:44,450 --> 00:30:42,720
that last summer was was interesting

762
00:30:46,549 --> 00:30:44,460
like I personally don't

763
00:30:48,649 --> 00:30:46,559
think it's anything uh too compelling

764
00:30:49,970 --> 00:30:48,659
but uh it's still neat it's still fun

765
00:30:52,250 --> 00:30:49,980
it's like kind of the center of the

766
00:30:54,409 --> 00:30:52,260
hobby right yeah and it's also just fun

767
00:30:56,210 --> 00:30:54,419
seeing and watching how people kind of

768
00:30:57,830 --> 00:30:56,220
collaboratively interpret and talk about

769
00:31:00,110 --> 00:30:57,840
these things even if they themselves

770
00:31:01,490 --> 00:31:00,120
aren't particularly significant or

771
00:31:03,110 --> 00:31:01,500
notable

772
00:31:04,610 --> 00:31:03,120
um the kind of community mythology is

773
00:31:05,990 --> 00:31:04,620
always really interesting to watch on

774
00:31:08,330 --> 00:31:06,000
hold

775
00:31:09,970 --> 00:31:08,340
now passenger did you have a take on the

776
00:31:12,409 --> 00:31:09,980
The Calvin photo

777
00:31:15,110 --> 00:31:12,419
uh that was like kind of what I dipped

778
00:31:17,510 --> 00:31:15,120
out from I was just like I think I can't

779
00:31:19,430 --> 00:31:17,520
remember what happened one of many

780
00:31:20,870 --> 00:31:19,440
disappointments I was like ah you know

781
00:31:22,669 --> 00:31:20,880
so

782
00:31:24,230 --> 00:31:22,679
I saw it but I didn't really follow the

783
00:31:29,210 --> 00:31:24,240
discussion

784
00:31:33,289 --> 00:31:31,490
in the last few days about basically

785
00:31:35,930 --> 00:31:33,299
saying that they think what was captured

786
00:31:36,789 --> 00:31:35,940
on the photo was some kind of

787
00:31:39,470 --> 00:31:36,799
um

788
00:31:41,090 --> 00:31:39,480
experimental aircraft

789
00:31:44,690 --> 00:31:41,100
I mean it's kind of been part of the

790
00:31:46,070 --> 00:31:44,700
lore right now who who was it Campbell

791
00:31:48,590 --> 00:31:46,080
you're familiar with the person who came

792
00:31:50,810 --> 00:31:48,600
out with this right yes uh I was

793
00:31:53,389 --> 00:31:50,820
surprised it was a an article in a

794
00:31:56,090 --> 00:31:53,399
British newspaper and they were citing

795
00:32:01,029 --> 00:31:56,100
uh Professor uh Simon Holland he's a

796
00:32:05,810 --> 00:32:03,950
that's right yes yes yeah and he's done

797
00:32:08,149 --> 00:32:05,820
a bunch of videos about a bunch of

798
00:32:11,930 --> 00:32:08,159
things like including UFO stuff um his

799
00:32:13,669 --> 00:32:11,940
degree like he's like a art Direction a

800
00:32:15,230 --> 00:32:13,679
theater major or something so he's not

801
00:32:17,149 --> 00:32:15,240
like a degree in like physics or

802
00:32:18,889 --> 00:32:17,159
anything but uh he has like neat videos

803
00:32:22,610 --> 00:32:18,899
but uh he he

804
00:32:24,649 --> 00:32:22,620
his videos reference like the idea of

805
00:32:27,169 --> 00:32:24,659
like a lot of UFO stuff being these sort

806
00:32:29,529 --> 00:32:27,179
of extraordinary black Tech projects and

807
00:32:32,510 --> 00:32:29,539
he cites kind of like um indirect

808
00:32:34,430 --> 00:32:32,520
sources to support the arguments uh

809
00:32:36,529 --> 00:32:34,440
they're good videos like interesting

810
00:32:38,810 --> 00:32:36,539
well very well produced but um you know

811
00:32:41,450 --> 00:32:38,820
there isn't like a a Crystal Clear

812
00:32:45,230 --> 00:32:42,529
yeah

813
00:32:46,850 --> 00:32:45,240
that's something I could dive back into

814
00:32:48,649 --> 00:32:46,860
um I thought I also heard a rumor that

815
00:32:50,149 --> 00:32:48,659
they found the photographer is that true

816
00:32:52,490 --> 00:32:50,159
did anybody hear that

817
00:32:56,450 --> 00:32:52,500
I believe there was a previous article

818
00:32:58,610 --> 00:32:56,460
from the newspaper that the photos were

819
00:33:00,889 --> 00:32:58,620
originally provided for that said it was

820
00:33:04,010 --> 00:33:00,899
a uh what was speculated previously as

821
00:33:05,630 --> 00:33:04,020
it was like a a door guy at one nearby

822
00:33:08,690 --> 00:33:05,640
hotel or something and that has

823
00:33:11,930 --> 00:33:08,700
allegedly been more solidly kind of

824
00:33:14,210 --> 00:33:11,940
confirmed uh I haven't checked into that

825
00:33:16,009 --> 00:33:14,220
in detail but that was what I saw in

826
00:33:18,230 --> 00:33:16,019
this newer article it was referencing

827
00:33:20,389 --> 00:33:18,240
that I came so unprepared and I I

828
00:33:22,009 --> 00:33:20,399
haven't heard anything in a while I kept

829
00:33:24,350 --> 00:33:22,019
meaning to sit down to read um that's

830
00:33:27,470 --> 00:33:24,360
why we're doing open lines yeah audience

831
00:33:29,570 --> 00:33:27,480
members to carry the show I made it all

832
00:33:31,669 --> 00:33:29,580
into being kind of like well there's not

833
00:33:32,810 --> 00:33:31,679
really much like it's like repositor

834
00:33:35,769 --> 00:33:32,820
it's like well I don't really follow

835
00:33:37,909 --> 00:33:35,779
that it's like well I guess

836
00:33:39,649 --> 00:33:37,919
one thing that I thought might be

837
00:33:41,930 --> 00:33:39,659
interesting to discuss is that like one

838
00:33:44,690 --> 00:33:41,940
thing that we kind of did on UFO science

839
00:33:47,630 --> 00:33:44,700
is we don't allow anybody to post just

840
00:33:49,909 --> 00:33:47,640
like random UFO videos or pictures

841
00:33:52,310 --> 00:33:49,919
because like I spent a lot of time on

842
00:33:55,909 --> 00:33:52,320
any kind of UFO discussion area like

843
00:33:57,830 --> 00:33:55,919
there are so many videos and it's kind

844
00:34:00,409 --> 00:33:57,840
of like really a video has to be

845
00:34:02,029 --> 00:34:00,419
exceptional for it to be anything worth

846
00:34:05,090 --> 00:34:02,039
even spending time looking at like I've

847
00:34:06,590 --> 00:34:05,100
seen so many videos of contrails and you

848
00:34:08,510 --> 00:34:06,600
know just kind of one thing I always

849
00:34:10,250 --> 00:34:08,520
advise people like interested in the

850
00:34:12,829 --> 00:34:10,260
topic is like look up like they have

851
00:34:14,450 --> 00:34:12,839
YouTube YouTube videos of Just Aviation

852
00:34:16,490 --> 00:34:14,460
lights like all the lights on the

853
00:34:18,470 --> 00:34:16,500
airplane you know kind of the sequences

854
00:34:20,510 --> 00:34:18,480
they go through you know how a plane

855
00:34:22,250 --> 00:34:20,520
coming straight at you will look like a

856
00:34:24,349 --> 00:34:22,260
hovering bright light for you know quite

857
00:34:27,770 --> 00:34:24,359
a long time depending how far out it is

858
00:34:30,470 --> 00:34:27,780
and um a lot of people just kind of lack

859
00:34:32,329 --> 00:34:30,480
some like fundamental ability to kind of

860
00:34:34,250 --> 00:34:32,339
scrutinize video and I'm like not a

861
00:34:35,570 --> 00:34:34,260
video analysis guy but I'm just a nerd

862
00:34:38,450 --> 00:34:35,580
you know so

863
00:34:39,950 --> 00:34:38,460
try to at least know what I'm looking at

864
00:34:41,810 --> 00:34:39,960
and talking about so it's kind of one of

865
00:34:43,550 --> 00:34:41,820
those things where it's like you know if

866
00:34:44,450 --> 00:34:43,560
if we ever get any kind of solid

867
00:34:46,669 --> 00:34:44,460
evidence

868
00:34:49,430 --> 00:34:46,679
it's not going to be just a video right

869
00:34:51,530 --> 00:34:49,440
I think a lot of people might sometimes

870
00:34:53,270 --> 00:34:51,540
miss that anytime we get so hyped up

871
00:34:55,790 --> 00:34:53,280
about videos but

872
00:34:57,530 --> 00:34:55,800
you know really their problem I don't

873
00:34:59,630 --> 00:34:57,540
see them doing much for the topic you

874
00:35:01,609 --> 00:34:59,640
know we have we have a ton of them you

875
00:35:02,630 --> 00:35:01,619
know we have witness testimony to go

876
00:35:06,230 --> 00:35:02,640
with the video

877
00:35:08,930 --> 00:35:06,240
still not enough you know so yeah it's

878
00:35:10,250 --> 00:35:08,940
like a as a facet of a larger hole it it

879
00:35:13,069 --> 00:35:10,260
can provide good evidence but you're

880
00:35:14,630 --> 00:35:13,079
right yeah no single photo or video is

881
00:35:17,390 --> 00:35:14,640
ever gonna be a Smoking Gun

882
00:35:21,650 --> 00:35:17,400
Unfortunately they are fun to pour over

883
00:35:24,890 --> 00:35:23,329
you know we do allow you know current

884
00:35:26,329 --> 00:35:24,900
you know hot topics and everything to

885
00:35:29,390 --> 00:35:26,339
discuss but it's mainly just those

886
00:35:32,450 --> 00:35:29,400
random like here's this UFO video that

887
00:35:34,609 --> 00:35:32,460
my cousin took and uh you know it just

888
00:35:37,490 --> 00:35:34,619
kind of clogs up the uh discussion and

889
00:35:39,410 --> 00:35:37,500
people go back and forth yeah it's kind

890
00:35:41,390 --> 00:35:39,420
of it's interesting like living ankle

891
00:35:43,270 --> 00:35:41,400
freeze by military bases I used to see

892
00:35:45,589 --> 00:35:43,280
flares like all the time

893
00:35:47,630 --> 00:35:45,599
sure and you know you kind of get these

894
00:35:48,950 --> 00:35:47,640
people and a lot of these videos like oh

895
00:35:51,290 --> 00:35:48,960
this can't be a missile because a

896
00:35:52,790 --> 00:35:51,300
missile always looks this way or it

897
00:35:54,050 --> 00:35:52,800
can't be a flare because a flare always

898
00:35:56,030 --> 00:35:54,060
looks this way it's like you know you

899
00:35:58,609 --> 00:35:56,040
have to realize that atmospheric

900
00:36:00,410 --> 00:35:58,619
conditions are so different and with

901
00:36:01,730 --> 00:36:00,420
different you know wind and atmosphere

902
00:36:03,230 --> 00:36:01,740
conditions different lighting different

903
00:36:04,849 --> 00:36:03,240
times a day

904
00:36:06,470 --> 00:36:04,859
things are going to look incredibly

905
00:36:07,970 --> 00:36:06,480
different so it's kind of one of those

906
00:36:10,310 --> 00:36:07,980
things where some if somebody's like it

907
00:36:11,870 --> 00:36:10,320
can't be this whatever you know it can't

908
00:36:14,690 --> 00:36:11,880
be a contrail because contrails always

909
00:36:15,650 --> 00:36:14,700
look like this well then I'm like you

910
00:36:17,150 --> 00:36:15,660
know

911
00:36:18,470 --> 00:36:17,160
you're using always and ever in an

912
00:36:19,910 --> 00:36:18,480
argument so you know we really don't

913
00:36:22,609 --> 00:36:19,920
have to explain you know we don't have

914
00:36:23,690 --> 00:36:22,619
to die too deep into that

915
00:36:25,730 --> 00:36:23,700
so

916
00:36:27,710 --> 00:36:25,740
great

917
00:36:29,630 --> 00:36:27,720
look passenger Commander thank you so

918
00:36:31,670 --> 00:36:29,640
much for dropping in

919
00:36:33,109 --> 00:36:31,680
um Kimball feel free to reach out to him

920
00:36:34,510 --> 00:36:33,119
to come on and do a full show with us

921
00:36:36,890 --> 00:36:34,520
sometime yeah

922
00:36:38,510 --> 00:36:36,900
be super cool I'm gonna have to check

923
00:36:43,250 --> 00:36:38,520
out the subreddit too I might venture

924
00:36:46,849 --> 00:36:45,470
no problem guys it's been a pleasure I'm

925
00:36:48,290 --> 00:36:46,859
gonna hang out and watch the rest of the

926
00:36:50,569 --> 00:36:48,300
show but thanks for having me I'm

927
00:36:55,910 --> 00:36:53,569
see ya thank you

928
00:36:58,130 --> 00:36:55,920
super cool don't we have we've got

929
00:37:00,710 --> 00:36:58,140
someone else in the in the green yeah we

930
00:37:07,130 --> 00:37:00,720
have we have Jay uh Jay shank who is on

931
00:37:09,589 --> 00:37:08,690
you can confirm that I exist in real

932
00:37:11,210 --> 00:37:09,599
life

933
00:37:13,849 --> 00:37:11,220
um so Jay I'm gonna add you to the

934
00:37:17,270 --> 00:37:13,859
stream uh I've I've got a question for

935
00:37:19,390 --> 00:37:17,280
the both of you once he's on here okay

936
00:37:22,069 --> 00:37:19,400
it's a taco related

937
00:37:23,630 --> 00:37:22,079
related hey what's up it is I wanted to

938
00:37:25,550 --> 00:37:23,640
know if they were real tacos or white

939
00:37:28,130 --> 00:37:25,560
people tacos no they were real tacos

940
00:37:30,290 --> 00:37:28,140
they were real [\h__\h] really really

941
00:37:32,690 --> 00:37:30,300
good don't get me wrong like white

942
00:37:34,370 --> 00:37:32,700
people really good I'm in a place you

943
00:37:36,770 --> 00:37:34,380
know I I definitely crave them sometimes

944
00:37:39,589 --> 00:37:36,780
but like real people there is a place

945
00:37:41,450 --> 00:37:39,599
that place those tacos are like or like

946
00:37:44,569 --> 00:37:41,460
why I have to wear stretchy pants after

947
00:37:46,970 --> 00:37:44,579
covid but most tacos are so [\h__\h] good

948
00:37:48,290 --> 00:37:46,980
the tacos are excellent they were real

949
00:37:51,109 --> 00:37:48,300
tacos

950
00:37:53,810 --> 00:37:51,119
if you're ever in Cleveland any of you

951
00:37:56,569 --> 00:37:53,820
we will go to get white people tacos at

952
00:38:00,230 --> 00:37:56,579
a place called CAP and cap and taco with

953
00:38:04,430 --> 00:38:00,240
you know a prep uh apostrophe and it is

954
00:38:05,870 --> 00:38:04,440
a um Aviation themed taco place that I

955
00:38:08,870 --> 00:38:05,880
think was meant to be a chain but

956
00:38:10,910 --> 00:38:08,880
there's only one of them at uh it's near

957
00:38:12,950 --> 00:38:10,920
the airport kind of in the industrial

958
00:38:15,290 --> 00:38:12,960
park area

959
00:38:17,030 --> 00:38:15,300
it's delicious it's they're not real

960
00:38:20,450 --> 00:38:17,040
tacos but they're the best white people

961
00:38:24,050 --> 00:38:20,460
tacos I've ever had and they have merch

962
00:38:25,010 --> 00:38:24,060
so you get the little um Taco Chef in an

963
00:38:27,530 --> 00:38:25,020
airplane

964
00:38:31,790 --> 00:38:27,540
uh mascot

965
00:38:34,670 --> 00:38:31,800
no relation to uh Captain Crunch then I

966
00:38:36,589 --> 00:38:34,680
don't think so I don't think so

967
00:38:39,650 --> 00:38:36,599
um you know unless you want to get on

968
00:38:43,250 --> 00:38:39,660
ancestry.com and start going through

969
00:38:46,069 --> 00:38:43,260
those guys like who's you know when you

970
00:38:49,329 --> 00:38:46,079
find out that that's like okay so when

971
00:38:52,790 --> 00:38:49,339
the crunches came to the new world and

972
00:38:55,130 --> 00:38:52,800
Emperor Maximilian was briefly in charge

973
00:38:58,910 --> 00:38:55,140
of Mexico and there's a whole thing I

974
00:39:00,829 --> 00:38:58,920
don't know does anyone when we're

975
00:39:03,829 --> 00:39:00,839
talking about this stuff I have this

976
00:39:05,569 --> 00:39:03,839
sense of weird cognitive dissonance and

977
00:39:08,750 --> 00:39:05,579
this is not like a digged corbel

978
00:39:11,510 --> 00:39:08,760
necessarily but just the fact that we're

979
00:39:13,490 --> 00:39:11,520
even talking about this you remember

980
00:39:15,290 --> 00:39:13,500
when we had radioactivity I miss

981
00:39:19,010 --> 00:39:15,300
radioactivity

982
00:39:23,329 --> 00:39:19,020
do you remember when saucers would land

983
00:39:25,849 --> 00:39:23,339
and do stuff and there would be like a

984
00:39:27,490 --> 00:39:25,859
patch of ruined ground where nothing

985
00:39:30,890 --> 00:39:27,500
would grow

986
00:39:33,050 --> 00:39:30,900
yes like Delphos and there are a lot I

987
00:39:35,750 --> 00:39:33,060
feel like there are a lot of these in a

988
00:39:38,329 --> 00:39:35,760
perioded somebody would go out and

989
00:39:41,329 --> 00:39:38,339
detect you know a higher degree of

990
00:39:43,849 --> 00:39:41,339
ionizing radiation it would be like you

991
00:39:45,770 --> 00:39:43,859
know this is kind of that was like I

992
00:39:48,290 --> 00:39:45,780
remember a lot of those cases being

993
00:39:52,130 --> 00:39:48,300
somewhat impressive and now we're

994
00:39:55,130 --> 00:39:52,140
looking at like the uh we're so horny

995
00:39:58,670 --> 00:39:55,140
for UFOs we're looking at this like so

996
00:40:00,589 --> 00:39:58,680
horny for UFOs three pixel blob and

997
00:40:02,690 --> 00:40:00,599
we're gonna fight about that I have

998
00:40:04,870 --> 00:40:02,700
people you somebody I think passenger

999
00:40:07,609 --> 00:40:04,880
Commander mentioned the Batman balloon

1000
00:40:10,130 --> 00:40:07,619
and people unfollow me on Twitter over

1001
00:40:12,230 --> 00:40:10,140
the Batman balloon

1002
00:40:16,069 --> 00:40:12,240
UFOs are serious business dude it's

1003
00:40:17,630 --> 00:40:16,079
serious business Twitter would you would

1004
00:40:18,829 --> 00:40:17,640
you tweet

1005
00:40:21,770 --> 00:40:18,839
um

1006
00:40:23,810 --> 00:40:21,780
gifts uh when that was happening and I

1007
00:40:27,890 --> 00:40:23,820
was tweeting a bunch of gifts from the

1008
00:40:31,069 --> 00:40:27,900
the 89 Batman the best Batman

1009
00:40:34,370 --> 00:40:31,079
of the um the whole flight sequence and

1010
00:40:36,530 --> 00:40:34,380
people unfollowed me over that

1011
00:40:39,349 --> 00:40:36,540
but I do

1012
00:40:43,550 --> 00:40:39,359
I I do question this though when we talk

1013
00:40:46,670 --> 00:40:43,560
about the larger mythology of these um

1014
00:40:49,730 --> 00:40:46,680
sightings and incidents it does feel to

1015
00:40:51,650 --> 00:40:49,740
me I guess this is again getting older

1016
00:40:54,670 --> 00:40:51,660
and being like things were cooler in the

1017
00:40:56,450 --> 00:40:54,680
90s things were cooler in the 80s

1018
00:40:59,030 --> 00:40:56,460
we don't

1019
00:41:02,030 --> 00:40:59,040
um it feels like with each like each

1020
00:41:04,910 --> 00:41:02,040
decade though and it's again like super

1021
00:41:06,710 --> 00:41:04,920
weird for a Lazar and nap to be on

1022
00:41:10,510 --> 00:41:06,720
people's lips again it's like which

1023
00:41:13,910 --> 00:41:10,520
which eighth decade wow with each decade

1024
00:41:15,950 --> 00:41:13,920
our Mythos is like white the Slate is

1025
00:41:19,730 --> 00:41:15,960
wiped clean

1026
00:41:21,950 --> 00:41:19,740
and yeah this lake is constantly cycled

1027
00:41:24,109 --> 00:41:21,960
and recycled you'll you'll notice that

1028
00:41:26,510 --> 00:41:24,119
like yeah through the decades the the

1029
00:41:28,790 --> 00:41:26,520
phenomenon I'll use that term sure I

1030
00:41:30,829 --> 00:41:28,800
mean certain attributes or loses certain

1031
00:41:33,710 --> 00:41:30,839
attributes but one all these attributes

1032
00:41:35,630 --> 00:41:33,720
seem to be like not only like just a

1033
00:41:36,710 --> 00:41:35,640
Step Beyond us but like well within

1034
00:41:42,050 --> 00:41:36,720
human

1035
00:41:43,730 --> 00:41:42,060
right if you look at like the 47 wave

1036
00:41:45,710 --> 00:41:43,740
they were all zipping around going

1037
00:41:47,210 --> 00:41:45,720
supersonic speeds you know it was the

1038
00:41:50,329 --> 00:41:47,220
same year Chuck Yeager broke the sound

1039
00:41:52,490 --> 00:41:50,339
barrier right right supersonic UFOs

1040
00:41:53,930 --> 00:41:52,500
um then you have uh in the late 50s or

1041
00:41:55,310 --> 00:41:53,940
whatever you start giving the uh the

1042
00:41:57,770 --> 00:41:55,320
vehicle interference you know right on

1043
00:41:59,450 --> 00:41:57,780
the tail end of like things like

1044
00:42:01,370 --> 00:41:59,460
um The Day the Earth Stood Still but

1045
00:42:03,470 --> 00:42:01,380
this is a Trope that carried on and then

1046
00:42:06,470 --> 00:42:03,480
you had the 90s uh the abductions and

1047
00:42:09,230 --> 00:42:06,480
stuff like that the uh the genetics uh

1048
00:42:10,790 --> 00:42:09,240
kind of social anxieties like um was it

1049
00:42:13,069 --> 00:42:10,800
senti's talks about I think it was

1050
00:42:14,630 --> 00:42:13,079
senti's maybe it was Halpern

1051
00:42:16,970 --> 00:42:14,640
um but yeah they're all these attributes

1052
00:42:20,089 --> 00:42:16,980
they're always like kind of bleeding age

1053
00:42:22,130 --> 00:42:20,099
one step over kind of our creativity and

1054
00:42:24,230 --> 00:42:22,140
our technological level and stuff like

1055
00:42:27,109 --> 00:42:24,240
that but it's always kind of like yeah

1056
00:42:29,690 --> 00:42:27,119
but it's crazy to bring up some of that

1057
00:42:31,490 --> 00:42:29,700
stuff because there's no if you were

1058
00:42:34,730 --> 00:42:31,500
there's no

1059
00:42:37,609 --> 00:42:34,740
um I will say this like comparatively

1060
00:42:41,089 --> 00:42:37,619
compared if you want to say uh like an

1061
00:42:44,030 --> 00:42:41,099
apples and apples to another type of

1062
00:42:49,130 --> 00:42:44,040
unknown phenomenon like Bigfoot research

1063
00:42:51,050 --> 00:42:49,140
the UFO Mythos is insane if you try if

1064
00:42:55,430 --> 00:42:51,060
you try to construct a coherent

1065
00:42:57,050 --> 00:42:55,440
narrative from the 50s till today it's

1066
00:42:58,190 --> 00:42:57,060
just

1067
00:43:00,410 --> 00:42:58,200
um

1068
00:43:03,470 --> 00:43:00,420
and it's wild that the stuff vanishes

1069
00:43:04,450 --> 00:43:03,480
it's it's to me it's like are there like

1070
00:43:06,230 --> 00:43:04,460
like

1071
00:43:07,069 --> 00:43:06,240
you think

1072
00:43:09,050 --> 00:43:07,079
um

1073
00:43:11,030 --> 00:43:09,060
or Bell would be out there with the

1074
00:43:14,870 --> 00:43:11,040
geiger counter if he could get that

1075
00:43:17,870 --> 00:43:14,880
evidence still because he's looking for

1076
00:43:19,730 --> 00:43:17,880
something to put on

1077
00:43:21,410 --> 00:43:19,740
I'm in yeah I'm just hanging out in bed

1078
00:43:23,210 --> 00:43:21,420
I turn on my phone

1079
00:43:25,430 --> 00:43:23,220
um with Elvis and Nixon in the

1080
00:43:26,270 --> 00:43:25,440
background

1081
00:43:28,190 --> 00:43:26,280
um

1082
00:43:30,530 --> 00:43:28,200
well yeah hey are people still being

1083
00:43:32,750 --> 00:43:30,540
abducted does anyone know has anyone

1084
00:43:35,809 --> 00:43:32,760
heard that

1085
00:43:40,010 --> 00:43:35,819
wasn't that um

1086
00:43:42,770 --> 00:43:40,020
yeah they are they they are

1087
00:43:45,349 --> 00:43:42,780
this is I think people are still being

1088
00:43:47,809 --> 00:43:45,359
abducted are there any

1089
00:43:51,470 --> 00:43:47,819
there's no have there have there been

1090
00:43:53,569 --> 00:43:51,480
space Brothers at all has anybody told

1091
00:43:57,410 --> 00:43:53,579
us to stop

1092
00:43:59,390 --> 00:43:57,420
um like stop war or stop uh driving our

1093
00:44:00,910 --> 00:43:59,400
cars because we're melting the planet

1094
00:44:03,589 --> 00:44:00,920
down

1095
00:44:06,109 --> 00:44:03,599
it comes through the lens now of like

1096
00:44:08,150 --> 00:44:06,119
like spiritual emergence right this goes

1097
00:44:09,829 --> 00:44:08,160
back to what we talk about all the time

1098
00:44:12,349 --> 00:44:09,839
of this as a Consciousness or

1099
00:44:13,970 --> 00:44:12,359
metaphysical thing now

1100
00:44:15,410 --> 00:44:13,980
um why don't they aliens come and talk

1101
00:44:16,849 --> 00:44:15,420
to these big companies that are actually

1102
00:44:18,770 --> 00:44:16,859
doing the majority of the pollution

1103
00:44:20,030 --> 00:44:18,780
right like we'll explain what I'm

1104
00:44:22,250 --> 00:44:20,040
thinking because it would get us kicked

1105
00:44:24,349 --> 00:44:22,260
off YouTube No but I'm like he knows

1106
00:44:27,770 --> 00:44:24,359
guys if you're gonna come talk to

1107
00:44:30,290 --> 00:44:27,780
somebody please talk to the Exxon Mobil

1108
00:44:32,150 --> 00:44:30,300
Executives well please come talk to the

1109
00:44:34,430 --> 00:44:32,160
Norfolk Southern guys because we had

1110
00:44:37,190 --> 00:44:34,440
another derailment in Ohio

1111
00:44:39,170 --> 00:44:37,200
congratulations yeah yeah right this

1112
00:44:41,589 --> 00:44:39,180
time there wasn't anything particularly

1113
00:44:45,849 --> 00:44:41,599
heinous

1114
00:44:48,589 --> 00:44:45,859
so it was just kind of like you know

1115
00:44:53,510 --> 00:44:48,599
a multi-billion dollar Corporation does

1116
00:44:55,730 --> 00:44:53,520
an oopsie but I are we getting I don't

1117
00:44:59,210 --> 00:44:55,740
know are we getting those reports are we

1118
00:45:02,210 --> 00:44:59,220
getting again like the they landed and

1119
00:45:05,210 --> 00:45:02,220
there's actual some actual arguable

1120
00:45:07,550 --> 00:45:05,220
physical evidence of you know that

1121
00:45:15,970 --> 00:45:07,560
ruined the ruined Earth with the

1122
00:45:20,329 --> 00:45:18,650
yes did anybody because some of the

1123
00:45:23,870 --> 00:45:20,339
stuff that we're doing now and like the

1124
00:45:27,829 --> 00:45:23,880
Tic Tac video did anyone does anyone

1125
00:45:29,630 --> 00:45:27,839
remember the NASA video with the alleged

1126
00:45:33,710 --> 00:45:29,640
railgun shot

1127
00:45:35,150 --> 00:45:33,720
no from the 90s it sounds awesome okay I

1128
00:45:38,210 --> 00:45:35,160
gotta um

1129
00:45:40,190 --> 00:45:38,220
I never throw anything away because I'm

1130
00:45:43,190 --> 00:45:40,200
I'm not a hoarder if it's cool stuff

1131
00:45:44,750 --> 00:45:43,200
right if it's like old if you don't

1132
00:45:46,250 --> 00:45:44,760
throw your if you if you have like a

1133
00:45:48,470 --> 00:45:46,260
house full of McDonald's rappers it's

1134
00:45:51,589 --> 00:45:48,480
gross but if you have all your VHS tapes

1135
00:45:53,329 --> 00:45:51,599
it's still cool right I have to I have

1136
00:45:55,970 --> 00:45:53,339
to try to find this and digitize it

1137
00:45:59,030 --> 00:45:55,980
because I remember watching some UFO

1138
00:46:02,150 --> 00:45:59,040
television program where they had NASA

1139
00:46:03,710 --> 00:46:02,160
footage and it's just like it's space

1140
00:46:06,829 --> 00:46:03,720
station or something and they're like

1141
00:46:09,109 --> 00:46:06,839
watch this watch this a DOT you know

1142
00:46:11,089 --> 00:46:09,119
these three pixels come here and there's

1143
00:46:12,770 --> 00:46:11,099
a big Flash and something streaks up

1144
00:46:15,109 --> 00:46:12,780
from the earth and right right when

1145
00:46:18,770 --> 00:46:15,119
there's the Big Flash the thing is like

1146
00:46:21,530 --> 00:46:18,780
nope and zoops out nobody remembers that

1147
00:46:23,050 --> 00:46:21,540
one yeah that it's kind of ringing a

1148
00:46:27,109 --> 00:46:23,060
bell

1149
00:46:29,630 --> 00:46:27,119
programs especially in the 90s yeah

1150
00:46:32,870 --> 00:46:29,640
um I and I do have a bunch uh like UFO

1151
00:46:35,809 --> 00:46:32,880
files called up the STS vid

1152
00:46:38,329 --> 00:46:35,819
maybe it might be it

1153
00:46:40,370 --> 00:46:38,339
I still orbit with the tether that

1154
00:46:43,069 --> 00:46:40,380
became detached and then there were the

1155
00:46:44,870 --> 00:46:43,079
um ice crystals that were moving I

1156
00:46:47,809 --> 00:46:44,880
remember the Ice Crystal video different

1157
00:46:49,670 --> 00:46:47,819
okay that's different I gotta try to I

1158
00:46:52,309 --> 00:46:49,680
gotta try to find

1159
00:46:54,410 --> 00:46:52,319
this and digitize it yeah Steve said

1160
00:46:57,109 --> 00:46:54,420
it's on YouTube it's on YouTube okay

1161
00:46:59,750 --> 00:46:57,119
everything is on YouTube YouTube really

1162
00:47:01,190 --> 00:46:59,760
I'm sorry that like YouTube really I

1163
00:47:03,950 --> 00:47:01,200
love the fact that we're all together

1164
00:47:07,370 --> 00:47:03,960
talking about this but I also miss the

1165
00:47:09,950 --> 00:47:07,380
days of having to like get a VHS tape

1166
00:47:14,410 --> 00:47:09,960
from some sus character that you like

1167
00:47:17,569 --> 00:47:14,420
wrote to in the back of a magazine radio

1168
00:47:19,190 --> 00:47:17,579
swap meet yeah like it's just like

1169
00:47:22,849 --> 00:47:19,200
copies of the Anarchist Cookbook on

1170
00:47:24,829 --> 00:47:22,859
CD-ROM right it was like

1171
00:47:26,450 --> 00:47:24,839
um you know when I was a kid there's the

1172
00:47:28,910 --> 00:47:26,460
place out in the woods it's like The

1173
00:47:30,770 --> 00:47:28,920
Witch's Grave and it was really like you

1174
00:47:32,329 --> 00:47:30,780
know you really felt initiated into the

1175
00:47:34,190 --> 00:47:32,339
group of cool kids when somebody took

1176
00:47:35,690 --> 00:47:34,200
you out the Witch's Grave now that's on

1177
00:47:37,490 --> 00:47:35,700
YouTube

1178
00:47:39,770 --> 00:47:37,500
yeah yeah

1179
00:47:42,530 --> 00:47:39,780
um everything's on there yeah there's

1180
00:47:43,609 --> 00:47:42,540
there's less of a Mystique I mean it

1181
00:47:45,230 --> 00:47:43,619
still had that kind of in the early

1182
00:47:46,910 --> 00:47:45,240
internet too like the message boards

1183
00:47:51,430 --> 00:47:46,920
well yeah it's a lot more anonymity

1184
00:47:53,690 --> 00:47:51,440
online and stuff so but I feel like yeah

1185
00:47:56,690 --> 00:47:53,700
I just feel like

1186
00:47:58,790 --> 00:47:56,700
um maybe this this isn't it's again like

1187
00:48:01,490 --> 00:47:58,800
corbel just showing up with like three

1188
00:48:03,890 --> 00:48:01,500
random jpegs and everybody is like

1189
00:48:05,569 --> 00:48:03,900
Jimmy's or rustled over that now I don't

1190
00:48:07,730 --> 00:48:05,579
know there's probably feels like the

1191
00:48:10,010 --> 00:48:07,740
standards have fallen

1192
00:48:11,450 --> 00:48:10,020
like the Tic Tac video think about what

1193
00:48:14,809 --> 00:48:11,460
passenger Commander was talking about

1194
00:48:16,430 --> 00:48:14,819
the Tic Tac video now it's cool because

1195
00:48:19,849 --> 00:48:16,440
you got the the

1196
00:48:21,770 --> 00:48:19,859
um fighter display overlay but if that

1197
00:48:22,970 --> 00:48:21,780
would have just shown up on Reddit if

1198
00:48:25,010 --> 00:48:22,980
that would have not been in New York

1199
00:48:26,569 --> 00:48:25,020
time like not New York Times Washington

1200
00:48:28,309 --> 00:48:26,579
Post story

1201
00:48:31,790 --> 00:48:28,319
that would have just been like well

1202
00:48:34,190 --> 00:48:31,800
that's cool but again like did somebody

1203
00:48:35,569 --> 00:48:34,200
made that in After Effects for my senior

1204
00:48:38,510 --> 00:48:35,579
project

1205
00:48:42,950 --> 00:48:40,790
I don't know well like you were

1206
00:48:45,950 --> 00:48:42,960
mentioning like we're being bombarded

1207
00:48:48,290 --> 00:48:45,960
increasingly by information at all times

1208
00:48:50,510 --> 00:48:48,300
and in information Theory there's this

1209
00:48:52,550 --> 00:48:50,520
issue where you can clog the information

1210
00:48:56,270 --> 00:48:52,560
channels and the data can become

1211
00:48:57,890 --> 00:48:56,280
corrupted and it is very hard to decide

1212
00:49:01,849 --> 00:48:57,900
what information passes through those

1213
00:49:03,050 --> 00:49:01,859
filters and uh often it's uncredible or

1214
00:49:05,270 --> 00:49:03,060
bad information that's actually making

1215
00:49:07,730 --> 00:49:05,280
its way through to us at this point when

1216
00:49:10,790 --> 00:49:07,740
yeah unquestionably Jay you take the

1217
00:49:13,550 --> 00:49:10,800
Paranormal UFOs and stuff very seriously

1218
00:49:15,410 --> 00:49:13,560
um you know to put a serious thought and

1219
00:49:17,030 --> 00:49:15,420
effort into uh promoting the subject as

1220
00:49:19,670 --> 00:49:17,040
a serious subject deserving a serious

1221
00:49:25,250 --> 00:49:19,680
conversation could you talk a little bit

1222
00:49:28,130 --> 00:49:25,260
about the the danger of the culture of

1223
00:49:31,370 --> 00:49:28,140
in the UFO community of sort of being so

1224
00:49:34,069 --> 00:49:31,380
uh open to any piece of information

1225
00:49:36,230 --> 00:49:34,079
that's verify validating as opposed to

1226
00:49:38,990 --> 00:49:36,240
sort of being critical within the

1227
00:49:40,309 --> 00:49:39,000
community itself in order to refine the

1228
00:49:42,829 --> 00:49:40,319
information to get to those really

1229
00:49:45,170 --> 00:49:42,839
valuable potentially people I mean I

1230
00:49:47,809 --> 00:49:45,180
think this is

1231
00:49:49,849 --> 00:49:47,819
sort of a kind of one of the great like

1232
00:49:51,410 --> 00:49:49,859
pitfalls of our society right now with

1233
00:49:54,710 --> 00:49:51,420
anything so it's not just in the UFO

1234
00:49:57,470 --> 00:49:54,720
community and I sort of

1235
00:50:02,569 --> 00:49:57,480
um in a weird way not that I know a lot

1236
00:50:05,750 --> 00:50:02,579
about Buddhism but I almost think the um

1237
00:50:07,069 --> 00:50:05,760
no I well no because like this that

1238
00:50:09,849 --> 00:50:07,079
something are you laughing about what's

1239
00:50:09,859 --> 00:50:15,230
the central tenant for

1240
00:50:19,550 --> 00:50:17,569
Buddhism being you know the elimination

1241
00:50:21,130 --> 00:50:19,560
of suffering and the elimination of

1242
00:50:24,349 --> 00:50:21,140
Desire

1243
00:50:27,890 --> 00:50:24,359
when I say like I say the joking way

1244
00:50:30,170 --> 00:50:27,900
like we're horny for UFOs but I think

1245
00:50:34,430 --> 00:50:30,180
you have to get up in in the morning and

1246
00:50:38,089 --> 00:50:34,440
go like why like why did I want this so

1247
00:50:41,750 --> 00:50:38,099
badly that I contributed to like to the

1248
00:50:46,370 --> 00:50:41,760
Stars Academy watch two seasons of

1249
00:50:47,809 --> 00:50:46,380
Skinwalker Ranch like you know like paid

1250
00:50:48,470 --> 00:50:47,819
for

1251
00:50:51,230 --> 00:50:48,480
um

1252
00:50:56,630 --> 00:50:51,240
like the ticket to go see like Lou talk

1253
00:50:59,150 --> 00:50:56,640
somewhere like that's it you you we take

1254
00:51:01,250 --> 00:50:59,160
these things externally and turn them

1255
00:51:03,349 --> 00:51:01,260
into core parts of our personal identity

1256
00:51:06,170 --> 00:51:03,359
psychologically and you see this in

1257
00:51:08,329 --> 00:51:06,180
politics really easily and then when any

1258
00:51:12,109 --> 00:51:08,339
part that's right again like why I can't

1259
00:51:13,670 --> 00:51:12,119
make Batman jokes because I am literally

1260
00:51:15,530 --> 00:51:13,680
threatening somebody's sense of self

1261
00:51:17,210 --> 00:51:15,540
because they've tied their sense of self

1262
00:51:21,049 --> 00:51:17,220
into

1263
00:51:25,370 --> 00:51:21,059
the current wave of UFO phenomenon right

1264
00:51:28,130 --> 00:51:25,380
now without critically evaluating the

1265
00:51:30,290 --> 00:51:28,140
characters or the I mean again like

1266
00:51:32,930 --> 00:51:30,300
people like like we're kind of all like

1267
00:51:36,349 --> 00:51:32,940
Bob Lazar like haha like he's really

1268
00:51:38,750 --> 00:51:36,359
kind of Fallen by the wayside but still

1269
00:51:40,190 --> 00:51:38,760
people are willing to like

1270
00:51:42,049 --> 00:51:40,200
I don't I don't have a whole lot of

1271
00:51:44,329 --> 00:51:42,059
respect for Joe Rogan but it's like that

1272
00:51:47,390 --> 00:51:44,339
guy's gonna give him a platform people

1273
00:51:51,710 --> 00:51:47,400
are going to make excuses for him like

1274
00:51:53,329 --> 00:51:51,720
the I the I want to believe thing has

1275
00:51:55,370 --> 00:51:53,339
gotten

1276
00:51:57,470 --> 00:51:55,380
um

1277
00:52:00,290 --> 00:51:57,480
it's sort of like at the root of all

1278
00:52:01,990 --> 00:52:00,300
this and the the desired the desire for

1279
00:52:05,329 --> 00:52:02,000
belief in this

1280
00:52:07,309 --> 00:52:05,339
I think is really

1281
00:52:08,990 --> 00:52:07,319
clouding people's judgment on The

1282
00:52:11,210 --> 00:52:09,000
credibility of the characters involved

1283
00:52:14,690 --> 00:52:11,220
and the quality of the evidence

1284
00:52:17,329 --> 00:52:14,700
it feels like it it uh the the what this

1285
00:52:19,490 --> 00:52:17,339
calls to mind for me first of all is

1286
00:52:21,770 --> 00:52:19,500
um the meaning crisis in general like

1287
00:52:24,470 --> 00:52:21,780
John vervaki talks a lot about this and

1288
00:52:26,630 --> 00:52:24,480
it feels like UFOs in the subject or

1289
00:52:29,150 --> 00:52:26,640
even just the Paranormal in general but

1290
00:52:31,130 --> 00:52:29,160
come basically like the god of the gaps

1291
00:52:32,750 --> 00:52:31,140
only you have like the UFO of the gaps

1292
00:52:34,910 --> 00:52:32,760
right like you have this sort of

1293
00:52:37,750 --> 00:52:34,920
metaphysical preoccupation because we

1294
00:52:40,130 --> 00:52:37,760
live in honestly like such a

1295
00:52:42,890 --> 00:52:40,140
vacuous kind of culture without a whole

1296
00:52:45,290 --> 00:52:42,900
lot of non-materialist meaning making

1297
00:52:47,329 --> 00:52:45,300
and sense making

1298
00:52:48,290 --> 00:52:47,339
um but the other thing too is and we

1299
00:52:49,549 --> 00:52:48,300
talk about I mean we've talked about

1300
00:52:50,870 --> 00:52:49,559
this on the show a lot is that like

1301
00:52:52,790 --> 00:52:50,880
there is really interesting stuff that

1302
00:52:54,349 --> 00:52:52,800
goes on like there is really interesting

1303
00:52:57,589 --> 00:52:54,359
like Consciousness and metaphysical

1304
00:53:00,530 --> 00:52:57,599
stuff whether it's emergence or

1305
00:53:03,290 --> 00:53:00,540
um contact experiences

1306
00:53:06,109 --> 00:53:03,300
um or exotic States like whether or not

1307
00:53:07,549 --> 00:53:06,119
that is actually literally contact or if

1308
00:53:08,990 --> 00:53:07,559
it's something that's just the brain is

1309
00:53:10,370 --> 00:53:09,000
generating like this stuff is really

1310
00:53:12,770 --> 00:53:10,380
compelling to me and it feels like

1311
00:53:15,109 --> 00:53:12,780
what's happening is we just wind up

1312
00:53:18,410 --> 00:53:15,119
diluting the fascinating stuff with just

1313
00:53:21,290 --> 00:53:18,420
like the chaff of like the detritus like

1314
00:53:23,089 --> 00:53:21,300
all these like screen grabs from blurry

1315
00:53:25,609 --> 00:53:23,099
videos and [\h__\h] instead of exploring the

1316
00:53:27,530 --> 00:53:25,619
really cool stuff that's that's kind of

1317
00:53:30,470 --> 00:53:27,540
where I'm feeling and I think especially

1318
00:53:33,049 --> 00:53:30,480
I I really got that with the Baghdad

1319
00:53:35,569 --> 00:53:33,059
video because I mean I'm assuming we're

1320
00:53:37,490 --> 00:53:35,579
all familiar with Mirage man either the

1321
00:53:41,030 --> 00:53:37,500
the book or the

1322
00:53:43,490 --> 00:53:41,040
or the thing so if you're just trying to

1323
00:53:48,349 --> 00:53:46,609
for whatever reason screw with the UFO

1324
00:53:49,849 --> 00:53:48,359
and there there's been you know

1325
00:53:51,770 --> 00:53:49,859
documented reasons why the intelligence

1326
00:53:52,849 --> 00:53:51,780
Community does that it's like it's very

1327
00:53:54,950 --> 00:53:52,859
easy

1328
00:53:58,730 --> 00:53:54,960
Corbell seems like a guy that wants to

1329
00:54:00,950 --> 00:53:58,740
believe obviously to to a high degree so

1330
00:54:03,650 --> 00:54:00,960
I mean to think about the like how easy

1331
00:54:06,829 --> 00:54:03,660
it would be to pull four frames out of

1332
00:54:08,569 --> 00:54:06,839
something give me like four frames like

1333
00:54:10,190 --> 00:54:08,579
that's gonna have an intern do like I'm

1334
00:54:13,130 --> 00:54:10,200
in the Air Force and I'm having like an

1335
00:54:15,770 --> 00:54:13,140
Arabic first class just like pull these

1336
00:54:17,150 --> 00:54:15,780
you know just scrub this give me four

1337
00:54:20,809 --> 00:54:17,160
frames

1338
00:54:23,569 --> 00:54:20,819
shoot this out to this guy and then

1339
00:54:26,150 --> 00:54:23,579
dominate the discourse and you can see

1340
00:54:28,190 --> 00:54:26,160
the vectors by which this information

1341
00:54:31,609 --> 00:54:28,200
travels

1342
00:54:33,470 --> 00:54:31,619
and everybody gets

1343
00:54:35,750 --> 00:54:33,480
that's what we're it's like this is what

1344
00:54:37,609 --> 00:54:35,760
we're talking about and we're not

1345
00:54:39,589 --> 00:54:37,619
talking about

1346
00:54:41,329 --> 00:54:39,599
um

1347
00:54:42,710 --> 00:54:41,339
you know to some extent we're not

1348
00:54:45,710 --> 00:54:42,720
talking about

1349
00:54:47,870 --> 00:54:45,720
any of the the actual like stuff we know

1350
00:54:50,030 --> 00:54:47,880
about black budgets that are going out

1351
00:54:51,890 --> 00:54:50,040
right now we're not talking about kind

1352
00:54:54,290 --> 00:54:51,900
of the real stuff and we're not talking

1353
00:54:58,069 --> 00:54:54,300
about anything like really interesting

1354
00:55:09,410 --> 00:54:58,079
is anybody really moving

1355
00:55:15,589 --> 00:55:12,470
like popular accessibility to generative

1356
00:55:19,069 --> 00:55:15,599
AI so basically things like mid-journey

1357
00:55:20,990 --> 00:55:19,079
and chat GPT these kinds of tools are

1358
00:55:23,390 --> 00:55:21,000
entering the public imagination in

1359
00:55:25,849 --> 00:55:23,400
pretty substantial ways and I think this

1360
00:55:26,870 --> 00:55:25,859
is only going to further Doom this

1361
00:55:30,049 --> 00:55:26,880
subject and a whole lot of other

1362
00:55:32,750 --> 00:55:30,059
subjects because we can now create and

1363
00:55:36,170 --> 00:55:32,760
distribute and disseminate media very

1364
00:55:38,329 --> 00:55:36,180
compelling media very good fake media

1365
00:55:40,609 --> 00:55:38,339
um and such a volume that you can

1366
00:55:43,849 --> 00:55:40,619
effectively dilute out anything that's

1367
00:55:45,130 --> 00:55:43,859
interesting there so from like a miss or

1368
00:55:48,770 --> 00:55:45,140
disinformation

1369
00:55:51,170 --> 00:55:48,780
perspective these generative platforms

1370
00:55:51,770 --> 00:55:51,180
are extremely powerful

1371
00:55:54,410 --> 00:55:51,780
um

1372
00:55:56,630 --> 00:55:54,420
not only for creating things but like I

1373
00:55:59,089 --> 00:55:56,640
said for actually diluting out

1374
00:56:00,829 --> 00:55:59,099
compelling or interesting information

1375
00:56:02,450 --> 00:56:00,839
and I mean that's that's like a good

1376
00:56:04,370 --> 00:56:02,460
example for why Google sucks right now

1377
00:56:06,890 --> 00:56:04,380
because Google has just been taken over

1378
00:56:08,210 --> 00:56:06,900
by generated content so now chat GPT is

1379
00:56:10,069 --> 00:56:08,220
pretty much the only thing you can use

1380
00:56:12,950 --> 00:56:10,079
reliably to find information and even

1381
00:56:16,430 --> 00:56:12,960
that's not anywhere near perfect

1382
00:56:18,470 --> 00:56:16,440
um it's true I love the uh those um tick

1383
00:56:19,670 --> 00:56:18,480
tocks of the last four presidents

1384
00:56:21,650 --> 00:56:19,680
playing

1385
00:56:24,109 --> 00:56:21,660
um Counter-Strike

1386
00:56:26,089 --> 00:56:24,119
the voices those are great I think

1387
00:56:29,210 --> 00:56:26,099
though that's another that's another

1388
00:56:32,630 --> 00:56:29,220
thing of it though I mean I I'm not an

1389
00:56:35,990 --> 00:56:32,640
expert but as a graphic designer I know

1390
00:56:39,230 --> 00:56:36,000
how lossy like a JPEG is

1391
00:56:43,970 --> 00:56:39,240
taking even if we took like something

1392
00:56:46,970 --> 00:56:43,980
that came out of a decent camera

1393
00:56:49,490 --> 00:56:46,980
that would be like a 4k camera

1394
00:56:52,730 --> 00:56:49,500
that would be close to a 300 DPI image

1395
00:56:55,910 --> 00:56:52,740
240 shrunk it down and like are passing

1396
00:56:57,410 --> 00:56:55,920
it around on I mean honestly when I was

1397
00:56:59,630 --> 00:56:57,420
doing a lot of professional photo

1398
00:57:02,870 --> 00:56:59,640
retouching when I was doing if it was

1399
00:57:05,210 --> 00:57:02,880
only for web the the the cheap moves

1400
00:57:07,670 --> 00:57:05,220
would be to save it as a JPEG because I

1401
00:57:09,230 --> 00:57:07,680
knew the lossiness of it would eat some

1402
00:57:13,010 --> 00:57:09,240
of the Dust particles

1403
00:57:14,809 --> 00:57:13,020
and the things on uh of a picture of

1404
00:57:17,690 --> 00:57:14,819
like the thing like here's the product

1405
00:57:21,470 --> 00:57:17,700
like here's like here's my of an

1406
00:57:22,609 --> 00:57:21,480
authentic U.S nuke United nuclear Bob

1407
00:57:24,950 --> 00:57:22,619
Lazar

1408
00:57:26,870 --> 00:57:24,960
toy and

1409
00:57:28,849 --> 00:57:26,880
um if I was shooting this and had dust

1410
00:57:31,549 --> 00:57:28,859
on I'm just like yeah if that's only for

1411
00:57:35,690 --> 00:57:31,559
the web and oh it's the the jpeg

1412
00:57:40,430 --> 00:57:35,700
compression will hide some sins for me

1413
00:57:41,089 --> 00:57:40,440
so again I I feel like

1414
00:57:43,370 --> 00:57:41,099
um

1415
00:57:45,530 --> 00:57:43,380
I also this is like this is one of my

1416
00:57:47,150 --> 00:57:45,540
overriding things and this is was with

1417
00:57:51,230 --> 00:57:47,160
ghosts and with everything it's like we

1418
00:57:53,390 --> 00:57:51,240
don't know what we don't know so

1419
00:57:55,849 --> 00:57:53,400
I'm looking this guy stuff yeah computer

1420
00:57:57,710 --> 00:57:55,859
monitors were 800 by 640. I remember

1421
00:58:00,230 --> 00:57:57,720
those days

1422
00:58:02,630 --> 00:58:00,240
but uh

1423
00:58:05,390 --> 00:58:02,640
we don't know enough about

1424
00:58:07,069 --> 00:58:05,400
even the cameras that take that stuff

1425
00:58:09,190 --> 00:58:07,079
right like you know we're talking like

1426
00:58:11,750 --> 00:58:09,200
when you guys are talking like do we

1427
00:58:14,450 --> 00:58:11,760
we don't know

1428
00:58:15,770 --> 00:58:14,460
like most of those infrared cameras I do

1429
00:58:18,970 --> 00:58:15,780
know this because I've been looking at

1430
00:58:22,130 --> 00:58:18,980
buying one super low resolution

1431
00:58:26,150 --> 00:58:22,140
like 320

1432
00:58:28,430 --> 00:58:26,160
by 240 because they're just

1433
00:58:30,710 --> 00:58:28,440
you're meant to either like the

1434
00:58:33,530 --> 00:58:30,720
commercial ones that are color are meant

1435
00:58:36,289 --> 00:58:33,540
to be you know like oh my God my windows

1436
00:58:38,089 --> 00:58:36,299
like I need to see all things and the

1437
00:58:41,270 --> 00:58:38,099
military ones are like

1438
00:58:45,589 --> 00:58:41,280
kill the hot thing that thing that's

1439
00:58:47,270 --> 00:58:45,599
white that no one else is shoot it so

1440
00:58:48,049 --> 00:58:47,280
they're not

1441
00:58:51,109 --> 00:58:48,059
um

1442
00:58:52,789 --> 00:58:51,119
they're not really uh made to be like

1443
00:58:54,650 --> 00:58:52,799
where to capture compelling all the

1444
00:58:57,049 --> 00:58:54,660
evidence that extraterrestrials are

1445
00:58:59,270 --> 00:58:57,059
visiting us in the middle of a war zone

1446
00:59:02,150 --> 00:58:59,280
for whatever reason right

1447
00:59:03,410 --> 00:59:02,160
some of that stuff too I don't know

1448
00:59:05,510 --> 00:59:03,420
um

1449
00:59:08,089 --> 00:59:05,520
like that's a question too like again

1450
00:59:12,470 --> 00:59:08,099
with the mythology it's like

1451
00:59:14,930 --> 00:59:12,480
it would suck so hard to have some kind

1452
00:59:17,150 --> 00:59:14,940
of a craft like our craft

1453
00:59:19,549 --> 00:59:17,160
bold space time

1454
00:59:22,630 --> 00:59:19,559
like we're gonna get in that when I put

1455
00:59:25,789 --> 00:59:22,640
that sucker in gear that's what happens

1456
00:59:28,069 --> 00:59:25,799
and I traveled across

1457
00:59:32,150 --> 00:59:28,079
the known universe or breach of

1458
00:59:34,789 --> 00:59:32,160
Dimension only to take like a um stinger

1459
00:59:36,710 --> 00:59:34,799
missile that was manufactured in 1986 by

1460
00:59:41,410 --> 00:59:36,720
the lowest bitter in the tailpipe Over

1461
00:59:41,420 --> 00:59:50,809
I don't know sometimes I don't know

1462
00:59:54,589 --> 00:59:52,730
I wonder again what U.S general and

1463
00:59:57,109 --> 00:59:54,599
executive branch officials were emailing

1464
00:59:59,630 --> 00:59:57,119
with Tom Delong I still can't Camp up

1465
01:00:01,910 --> 00:59:59,640
keep come up with any logical reason for

1466
01:00:04,010 --> 01:00:01,920
this honestly my immediate reaction is

1467
01:00:06,170 --> 01:00:04,020
that all kinds of people work in the

1468
01:00:08,210 --> 01:00:06,180
government and all kinds of people are

1469
01:00:10,270 --> 01:00:08,220
generals and executive branch officials

1470
01:00:14,170 --> 01:00:10,280
I mean these are people that are into

1471
01:00:18,349 --> 01:00:14,180
all sorts of weird [\h__\h] including UFOs

1472
01:00:19,809 --> 01:00:18,359
including Blink 182 they might have been

1473
01:00:22,789 --> 01:00:19,819
like I'm gonna get

1474
01:00:25,430 --> 01:00:22,799
just imagine somebody I'm gonna get Adam

1475
01:00:29,329 --> 01:00:25,440
of the State signed for my kid I mean it

1476
01:00:30,589 --> 01:00:29,339
is like if somebody if I had joined at

1477
01:00:33,589 --> 01:00:30,599
18

1478
01:00:36,170 --> 01:00:33,599
or out of college at 24 I would have

1479
01:00:38,390 --> 01:00:36,180
been in there of that age than like

1480
01:00:41,150 --> 01:00:38,400
Tom's into UFOs and like enema of the

1481
01:00:44,630 --> 01:00:41,160
state was in Dude Ranch is a rocking

1482
01:00:45,770 --> 01:00:44,640
album and I also think though there's

1483
01:00:49,609 --> 01:00:45,780
not

1484
01:00:52,130 --> 01:00:49,619
and this is where I go to Mirage man the

1485
01:00:55,849 --> 01:00:52,140
at a certain point I think

1486
01:00:57,770 --> 01:00:55,859
the FBI the CIA U.S Air Force

1487
01:00:59,569 --> 01:00:57,780
intelligence all decided they needed to

1488
01:01:02,030 --> 01:00:59,579
keep an eye on the weirdos

1489
01:01:05,030 --> 01:01:02,040
and this was

1490
01:01:07,010 --> 01:01:05,040
um also you know like God forbid like

1491
01:01:08,690 --> 01:01:07,020
the I think you know especially maybe

1492
01:01:09,950 --> 01:01:08,700
the space Brothers days and they were

1493
01:01:12,910 --> 01:01:09,960
telling us all to be nice and put the

1494
01:01:17,270 --> 01:01:12,920
nukes away that sounds a little too much

1495
01:01:21,109 --> 01:01:17,280
that's like fire off McCarthy yeah like

1496
01:01:23,870 --> 01:01:21,119
that's scary but all of those things all

1497
01:01:26,270 --> 01:01:23,880
of those reports when you throw a piece

1498
01:01:28,549 --> 01:01:26,280
of information this is like I mean you

1499
01:01:31,970 --> 01:01:28,559
can do this in your real life in your

1500
01:01:34,190 --> 01:01:31,980
office to you can Channel you can map

1501
01:01:36,170 --> 01:01:34,200
the flow of information by telling

1502
01:01:37,990 --> 01:01:36,180
somebody something and seeing where it

1503
01:01:41,990 --> 01:01:38,000
ends up

1504
01:01:44,870 --> 01:01:42,000
you can give Tom the long

1505
01:01:47,630 --> 01:01:44,880
some stupid thing and then seeing like

1506
01:01:50,750 --> 01:01:47,640
seeing where this ends up and are they

1507
01:01:54,349 --> 01:01:50,760
connected to any foreign governments any

1508
01:01:57,230 --> 01:01:54,359
foreign operatives I uh

1509
01:01:59,150 --> 01:01:57,240
I think some of this is just um the

1510
01:01:59,990 --> 01:01:59,160
people that are doing it I mean it's all

1511
01:02:02,870 --> 01:02:00,000
people

1512
01:02:05,750 --> 01:02:02,880
I I hate to pursue rational like

1513
01:02:08,690 --> 01:02:05,760
rational motive for anything entirely

1514
01:02:10,010 --> 01:02:08,700
I think some people are just like it

1515
01:02:12,650 --> 01:02:10,020
scares them so they're going to keep

1516
01:02:14,329 --> 01:02:12,660
track of it or they're worried or

1517
01:02:17,030 --> 01:02:14,339
because I'm thinking like think about

1518
01:02:19,130 --> 01:02:17,040
how many things in your like because you

1519
01:02:21,230 --> 01:02:19,140
have to think about working and you have

1520
01:02:22,549 --> 01:02:21,240
to think about your job think about how

1521
01:02:25,430 --> 01:02:22,559
many things you do that are pointless

1522
01:02:28,970 --> 01:02:25,440
how many things you do because somebody

1523
01:02:31,430 --> 01:02:28,980
above you like you know like we had CEO

1524
01:02:34,089 --> 01:02:31,440
one who wants everything in fives now we

1525
01:02:37,430 --> 01:02:34,099
have CO2 that wants everything in threes

1526
01:02:40,430 --> 01:02:37,440
you know we have

1527
01:02:43,370 --> 01:02:40,440
um things we do to cover our butts we do

1528
01:02:45,589 --> 01:02:43,380
a lot of stuff to cover our butts and I

1529
01:02:48,349 --> 01:02:45,599
I also think a lot of this like talking

1530
01:02:51,589 --> 01:02:48,359
to somebody is like I better talk like

1531
01:02:53,210 --> 01:02:51,599
somebody better like swing back and like

1532
01:02:55,430 --> 01:02:53,220
just see if this guy knows anything

1533
01:02:58,130 --> 01:02:55,440
because if he does and then we didn't

1534
01:03:01,549 --> 01:02:58,140
investigate it and then he leaks the

1535
01:03:03,589 --> 01:03:01,559
thing and we have like the the Drone

1536
01:03:05,510 --> 01:03:03,599
gets shot down over China and Tom

1537
01:03:08,210 --> 01:03:05,520
DeLonge knew about it nobody found out

1538
01:03:11,210 --> 01:03:08,220
how he he knew then were you know it's

1539
01:03:14,329 --> 01:03:11,220
like my pension

1540
01:03:16,849 --> 01:03:14,339
so well you make some good points uh Jay

1541
01:03:19,490 --> 01:03:16,859
it's like uh about the information like

1542
01:03:22,069 --> 01:03:19,500
we have in the the Wikileaks uh one of

1543
01:03:24,589 --> 01:03:22,079
the email real batch releases

1544
01:03:26,450 --> 01:03:24,599
um John podesta the former uh cam

1545
01:03:28,370 --> 01:03:26,460
campaign manager if I recall correctly

1546
01:03:31,809 --> 01:03:28,380
for Hillary Clinton right presidential

1547
01:03:35,089 --> 01:03:31,819
campaigns he's like for decades was into

1548
01:03:38,210 --> 01:03:35,099
UFOs and that's very well known in

1549
01:03:40,789 --> 01:03:38,220
Washington and he was corresponding with

1550
01:03:43,490 --> 01:03:40,799
Tom Delong trying to get him involved in

1551
01:03:44,569 --> 01:03:43,500
the campaign for Hillary and uh put him

1552
01:03:47,030 --> 01:03:44,579
in contact with people like that's in

1553
01:03:49,130 --> 01:03:47,040
the wiki emails so you know we can look

1554
01:03:50,990 --> 01:03:49,140
at this instead you know we're talking

1555
01:03:53,210 --> 01:03:51,000
about the Baghdad video and stuff so

1556
01:03:56,930 --> 01:03:53,220
it's a good point now like you know this

1557
01:03:58,490 --> 01:03:56,940
uh whole subject is so uh messy and it

1558
01:04:00,170 --> 01:03:58,500
has so much stigma and it's so

1559
01:04:02,270 --> 01:04:00,180
frustrating and it's always endless

1560
01:04:04,549 --> 01:04:02,280
cycles and stuff would you be able to

1561
01:04:07,010 --> 01:04:04,559
comment a little bit on maybe the

1562
01:04:09,609 --> 01:04:07,020
positive side of the identity like

1563
01:04:11,870 --> 01:04:09,619
what's pulling you in from a positive

1564
01:04:15,950 --> 01:04:11,880
perspective what's wrong following you

1565
01:04:19,250 --> 01:04:15,960
to this in a good way it's it's you guys

1566
01:04:23,630 --> 01:04:19,260
oh wow okay I mean it's a big part of it

1567
01:04:26,150 --> 01:04:23,640
I also think for we get cranked on this

1568
01:04:29,870 --> 01:04:26,160
stuff and we focus on the negative but

1569
01:04:32,210 --> 01:04:29,880
there are a lot of really good people

1570
01:04:34,130 --> 01:04:32,220
involved in this whose imaginations have

1571
01:04:38,329 --> 01:04:34,140
been captured by it there are a lot of

1572
01:04:40,430 --> 01:04:38,339
tremendously interesting ideas

1573
01:04:43,069 --> 01:04:40,440
that are floating around out there that

1574
01:04:44,809 --> 01:04:43,079
people are sharing their people like you

1575
01:04:46,730 --> 01:04:44,819
the passenger Commander that you just

1576
01:04:49,370 --> 01:04:46,740
have on that are like I'm going to start

1577
01:04:50,930 --> 01:04:49,380
my own thing and I don't like the way

1578
01:04:54,410 --> 01:04:50,940
it's going so I'm gonna I'm gonna do my

1579
01:04:56,210 --> 01:04:54,420
own thing to do it that way and I think

1580
01:04:59,630 --> 01:04:56,220
um

1581
01:05:02,630 --> 01:04:59,640
I think there there's so much

1582
01:05:04,490 --> 01:05:02,640
um good in the community I just

1583
01:05:06,410 --> 01:05:04,500
unfortunately none of us are as famous

1584
01:05:07,789 --> 01:05:06,420
as George Knapp

1585
01:05:15,049 --> 01:05:07,799
but

1586
01:05:17,030 --> 01:05:15,059
I think here yeah I mean I think no I

1587
01:05:18,170 --> 01:05:17,040
think there is I think

1588
01:05:20,569 --> 01:05:18,180
um

1589
01:05:22,370 --> 01:05:20,579
there's a lot of like there it's just

1590
01:05:25,670 --> 01:05:22,380
community

1591
01:05:28,670 --> 01:05:25,680
sharing information sharing ideas

1592
01:05:30,109 --> 01:05:28,680
um sometimes it is the the real uaps

1593
01:05:35,450 --> 01:05:30,119
were the friends we made along the way

1594
01:05:38,510 --> 01:05:35,460
but on the on the serious side there are

1595
01:05:40,430 --> 01:05:38,520
people sharing new theories new

1596
01:05:44,630 --> 01:05:40,440
hypotheses

1597
01:05:48,109 --> 01:05:44,640
um I find a lot of people sharing cases

1598
01:05:51,349 --> 01:05:48,119
from history that are

1599
01:05:53,030 --> 01:05:51,359
not well known I think

1600
01:05:55,430 --> 01:05:53,040
um I think one of the things that's

1601
01:05:57,049 --> 01:05:55,440
really kind of uh

1602
01:05:59,569 --> 01:05:57,059
on the level of people making

1603
01:06:01,130 --> 01:05:59,579
documentaries or or things there's a lot

1604
01:06:04,730 --> 01:06:01,140
of like rehash

1605
01:06:06,650 --> 01:06:04,740
you know and we know we know a lot of uh

1606
01:06:09,289 --> 01:06:06,660
famous cases but there are a lot of

1607
01:06:12,470 --> 01:06:09,299
really interesting cases that could lead

1608
01:06:14,690 --> 01:06:12,480
to other avenues other data points or

1609
01:06:16,970 --> 01:06:14,700
other perspectives that people are

1610
01:06:19,190 --> 01:06:16,980
sharing in the community that aren't

1611
01:06:21,770 --> 01:06:19,200
just going on you know so I think about

1612
01:06:24,650 --> 01:06:21,780
that was the bad part of the 90s was

1613
01:06:27,170 --> 01:06:24,660
that it was much harder to do this and

1614
01:06:28,430 --> 01:06:27,180
you were sort of at the mercy of

1615
01:06:30,950 --> 01:06:28,440
whatever the History Channel was

1616
01:06:32,690 --> 01:06:30,960
producing yeah or Art Bell was talking

1617
01:06:36,529 --> 01:06:32,700
about or what you're right providing on

1618
01:06:41,150 --> 01:06:36,539
a BBS right the the kind of distribution

1619
01:06:46,789 --> 01:06:44,270
so I think and I think we all in our

1620
01:06:48,890 --> 01:06:46,799
hearts feel it's important and at least

1621
01:06:50,870 --> 01:06:48,900
engaging to keep pursuing

1622
01:06:53,150 --> 01:06:50,880
even if like passenger Commander said we

1623
01:06:57,230 --> 01:06:53,160
dip in and out depending on the State of

1624
01:07:01,730 --> 01:06:58,910
you know it's difficult for me not to

1625
01:07:05,150 --> 01:07:01,740
get cynical in the post-2017 era and I

1626
01:07:06,470 --> 01:07:05,160
say that because so much of the 2017 and

1627
01:07:10,309 --> 01:07:06,480
forward

1628
01:07:12,770 --> 01:07:10,319
um discussion feels to me like extremely

1629
01:07:18,589 --> 01:07:12,780
um militaristic right it feels to me

1630
01:07:20,390 --> 01:07:18,599
like like a a path to like the ufology

1631
01:07:21,589 --> 01:07:20,400
is really just a trojan horse to

1632
01:07:24,170 --> 01:07:21,599
introduce a lot of different ideas

1633
01:07:25,910 --> 01:07:24,180
around increasing spending on National

1634
01:07:28,849 --> 01:07:25,920
Security

1635
01:07:31,670 --> 01:07:28,859
um increasing broad acceptance of

1636
01:07:33,589 --> 01:07:31,680
surveillance Technologies

1637
01:07:35,089 --> 01:07:33,599
um that's not to say and what I'm not

1638
01:07:37,789 --> 01:07:35,099
doing right now is I'm not summarily

1639
01:07:39,170 --> 01:07:37,799
dismissing the events of 2017.

1640
01:07:41,450 --> 01:07:39,180
um I generally don't have much of an

1641
01:07:43,010 --> 01:07:41,460
opinion on them but

1642
01:07:46,309 --> 01:07:43,020
um I do think what they've done for sort

1643
01:07:48,609 --> 01:07:46,319
of the cultural Zeitgeist is

1644
01:07:53,770 --> 01:07:52,430
drummed up some of this

1645
01:07:57,170 --> 01:07:53,780
popular

1646
01:07:59,809 --> 01:07:57,180
fear I guess around intrusions in

1647
01:08:02,329 --> 01:07:59,819
Aerospace and yeah eating military

1648
01:08:03,950 --> 01:08:02,339
technology and it's very hard for me to

1649
01:08:05,510 --> 01:08:03,960
hear this and then also think about the

1650
01:08:07,430 --> 01:08:05,520
facts we effectively don't have a

1651
01:08:08,990 --> 01:08:07,440
functional government because our

1652
01:08:12,170 --> 01:08:09,000
government is just [\h__\h] scaffolding

1653
01:08:14,569 --> 01:08:12,180
on our military at this point yeah it's

1654
01:08:16,849 --> 01:08:14,579
more manufacturing consent for the

1655
01:08:19,249 --> 01:08:16,859
military industrial complex or at least

1656
01:08:21,130 --> 01:08:19,259
defense spending it feels like it's to

1657
01:08:23,930 --> 01:08:21,140
me especially when they started

1658
01:08:25,910 --> 01:08:23,940
referring to uaps as a threat you know

1659
01:08:29,470 --> 01:08:25,920
that narrative was kind of born out of

1660
01:08:31,970 --> 01:08:29,480
the uh the breaking story of adip

1661
01:08:33,769 --> 01:08:31,980
like like I actually am a huge Kirsten

1662
01:08:35,930 --> 01:08:33,779
Chiller brand fan actually like she's

1663
01:08:37,550 --> 01:08:35,940
she's amazing like I I mean I followed

1664
01:08:39,709 --> 01:08:37,560
her career I'm from New York like I

1665
01:08:42,769 --> 01:08:39,719
followed her career in New York politics

1666
01:08:43,789 --> 01:08:42,779
super super cool Progressive woman

1667
01:08:45,410 --> 01:08:43,799
um and it's been very interesting

1668
01:08:48,410 --> 01:08:45,420
watching her take this up because I

1669
01:08:50,749 --> 01:08:48,420
generally associate the post 2017

1670
01:08:52,849 --> 01:08:50,759
ufology platform is being largely under

1671
01:08:54,890 --> 01:08:52,859
the purview of the ultra right and

1672
01:08:57,410 --> 01:08:54,900
conservatives like we see Tim burchett

1673
01:08:59,450 --> 01:08:57,420
we see Marco Rubio talking about this

1674
01:09:00,590 --> 01:08:59,460
stuff we see Tucker Carlson

1675
01:09:01,729 --> 01:09:00,600
um and I mean we've talked about this

1676
01:09:04,970 --> 01:09:01,739
before about just sort of how

1677
01:09:08,390 --> 01:09:04,980
unfortunate that this entire subject in

1678
01:09:12,289 --> 01:09:08,400
um its current sort of popular iteration

1679
01:09:14,990 --> 01:09:12,299
has been so co-opted by like just the

1680
01:09:15,590 --> 01:09:15,000
worst politics imaginable

1681
01:09:18,229 --> 01:09:15,600
um

1682
01:09:20,209 --> 01:09:18,239
and that's like again and I say this

1683
01:09:22,130 --> 01:09:20,219
without saying you know I think there's

1684
01:09:23,269 --> 01:09:22,140
interesting stuff about 2017 I'm not

1685
01:09:25,130 --> 01:09:23,279
dismissing it I think it's really

1686
01:09:27,289 --> 01:09:25,140
important to look at and consider but I

1687
01:09:29,570 --> 01:09:27,299
also am not super into the idea of like

1688
01:09:31,910 --> 01:09:29,580
Tucker Carlson being the mouthpiece of

1689
01:09:33,530 --> 01:09:31,920
this subject right like that's extremely

1690
01:09:36,769 --> 01:09:33,540
concerning to me it's really concerning

1691
01:09:37,430 --> 01:09:36,779
to me that otherwise Progressive and

1692
01:09:38,870 --> 01:09:37,440
um

1693
01:09:41,689 --> 01:09:38,880
uh

1694
01:09:43,610 --> 01:09:41,699
reasonable people are happy to put aside

1695
01:09:46,249 --> 01:09:43,620
their progressiveness and reasonableness

1696
01:09:48,229 --> 01:09:46,259
because it happens to be UFOs on Tucker

1697
01:09:50,329 --> 01:09:48,239
Carlson

1698
01:09:52,010 --> 01:09:50,339
um yes Milk Bar I agree I it's almost

1699
01:09:54,410 --> 01:09:52,020
like Don Lemon should wake the [\h__\h] up

1700
01:09:56,270 --> 01:09:54,420
yes yeah or like Jesus I would even take

1701
01:09:58,550 --> 01:09:56,280
Rachel Maddow who's about like the most

1702
01:10:00,229 --> 01:09:58,560
milk toast Capital Elder girl you can

1703
01:10:02,810 --> 01:10:00,239
get what I'm getting at is that like

1704
01:10:05,870 --> 01:10:02,820
this entire subject has been co-opted by

1705
01:10:08,390 --> 01:10:05,880
the right in America it is completely

1706
01:10:10,729 --> 01:10:08,400
unfortunate I think that's

1707
01:10:13,310 --> 01:10:10,739
that's what bothers me about The

1708
01:10:17,750 --> 01:10:13,320
Narrative of disclosure though because

1709
01:10:19,490 --> 01:10:17,760
the rationale I hear expressed is that

1710
01:10:22,310 --> 01:10:19,500
disclosure is so important and it's

1711
01:10:24,290 --> 01:10:22,320
going to oh my god dude come on you

1712
01:10:27,890 --> 01:10:24,300
gotta you gotta improve your your media

1713
01:10:30,290 --> 01:10:27,900
references here you know okay no it's

1714
01:10:33,890 --> 01:10:30,300
it's so important and it's going to

1715
01:10:35,390 --> 01:10:33,900
change Humanity's Destiny on such a

1716
01:10:38,689 --> 01:10:35,400
fundamental level that it's worth being

1717
01:10:40,729 --> 01:10:38,699
on Tucker Carlson for and I what what

1718
01:10:42,890 --> 01:10:40,739
bothers me about that and what bothers

1719
01:10:44,870 --> 01:10:42,900
me about the kind of

1720
01:10:46,970 --> 01:10:44,880
um the constant you know like the

1721
01:10:51,050 --> 01:10:46,980
radioactive half-life of the UFO Mythos

1722
01:10:55,729 --> 01:10:51,060
is only five years because we felt this

1723
01:10:57,590 --> 01:10:55,739
in the 90s like we felt that the like

1724
01:11:00,050 --> 01:10:57,600
the White House lawn Day the Earth

1725
01:11:02,290 --> 01:11:00,060
should still thing like the so much of

1726
01:11:04,910 --> 01:11:02,300
the X-Files and like the the

1727
01:11:07,970 --> 01:11:04,920
pre-millennial tension and that this was

1728
01:11:10,970 --> 01:11:07,980
this was going to happen like the disc

1729
01:11:13,010 --> 01:11:10,980
like we were going to disclose at that

1730
01:11:14,630 --> 01:11:13,020
point it really was the X-Files Mythos

1731
01:11:17,510 --> 01:11:14,640
that we've been working with these

1732
01:11:19,490 --> 01:11:17,520
aliens since 47 and Roswell and all this

1733
01:11:21,649 --> 01:11:19,500
stuff and this was going to and it was

1734
01:11:24,890 --> 01:11:21,659
finally here of course this whole thing

1735
01:11:27,290 --> 01:11:24,900
yes and it didn't happen

1736
01:11:29,149 --> 01:11:27,300
and there was like I understand we could

1737
01:11:31,070 --> 01:11:29,159
only asymptotically approach disclosure

1738
01:11:35,270 --> 01:11:31,080
we can never actually touch it

1739
01:11:39,950 --> 01:11:35,280
it's um it's like yeah and that's and

1740
01:11:43,910 --> 01:11:39,960
what what bothers me about it is we have

1741
01:11:46,910 --> 01:11:43,920
just like this new crop of dudes running

1742
01:11:49,209 --> 01:11:46,920
this Playbook again everybody like

1743
01:11:53,030 --> 01:11:49,219
everybody That's a hardcore

1744
01:11:54,830 --> 01:11:53,040
disclosure like that's based their whole

1745
01:11:58,250 --> 01:11:54,840
you know this is why they get up in the

1746
01:12:01,430 --> 01:11:58,260
morning is going to end up

1747
01:12:04,070 --> 01:12:01,440
like with a 10-year 10-year dip out from

1748
01:12:06,530 --> 01:12:04,080
the level of disappointment I mean there

1749
01:12:08,149 --> 01:12:06,540
is like Robert cialdini talks about that

1750
01:12:09,709 --> 01:12:08,159
called psychology there's going to be

1751
01:12:12,649 --> 01:12:09,719
like a handful of people who never give

1752
01:12:13,910 --> 01:12:12,659
up but when people finally walk it's

1753
01:12:16,550 --> 01:12:13,920
just going to be like because that was

1754
01:12:22,930 --> 01:12:16,560
about what it was for me I I had about a

1755
01:12:27,530 --> 01:12:25,729
2004 to 2014.

1756
01:12:29,750 --> 01:12:27,540
I am I'm gonna call it something milk

1757
01:12:32,030 --> 01:12:29,760
farts saying too Jesus he's like the

1758
01:12:32,770 --> 01:12:32,040
[\h__\h] sixth host here

1759
01:12:35,390 --> 01:12:32,780
um

1760
01:12:36,890 --> 01:12:35,400
yeah I know the stream yard link is

1761
01:12:38,570 --> 01:12:36,900
posted you're welcome to come on milk

1762
01:12:42,410 --> 01:12:38,580
fart we'd love to have you dude yeah

1763
01:12:50,270 --> 01:12:45,229
I agree with the goal post keeps

1764
01:12:54,770 --> 01:12:53,330
poorly articulated that like what my

1765
01:12:56,390 --> 01:12:54,780
what I would think of as disclosure

1766
01:12:57,410 --> 01:12:56,400
maybe categorically distinct and

1767
01:12:59,030 --> 01:12:57,420
different from what other people would

1768
01:13:00,470 --> 01:12:59,040
say as disclosure also we have we have

1769
01:13:04,430 --> 01:13:00,480
malcolored on so I'm in Adam South

1770
01:13:07,250 --> 01:13:04,440
Street yeah I will only settle for there

1771
01:13:10,310 --> 01:13:07,260
is an eminent threat to earth like if a

1772
01:13:13,910 --> 01:13:10,320
mothership is coming the fact that I

1773
01:13:15,950 --> 01:13:13,920
have like 300 hours in Cessnas is I'm

1774
01:13:17,709 --> 01:13:15,960
going to be like Randy in Independence

1775
01:13:22,550 --> 01:13:17,719
Day except they're gonna put me in a

1776
01:13:23,330 --> 01:13:22,560
tr3b in the black rectangle instead of

1777
01:13:27,229 --> 01:13:23,340
um

1778
01:13:28,430 --> 01:13:27,239
instead of the F-18 and that's like I'm

1779
01:13:31,610 --> 01:13:28,440
going to get a call I'm going to be red

1780
01:13:35,330 --> 01:13:31,620
five and we're going for it

1781
01:13:40,550 --> 01:13:37,130
I just figured it's easier than typing

1782
01:13:42,229 --> 01:13:40,560
thanks for having me yes it's good to

1783
01:13:43,790 --> 01:13:42,239
have you all we were talking about

1784
01:13:45,649 --> 01:13:43,800
something a while ago when I wanted you

1785
01:13:46,970 --> 01:13:45,659
to come on oh it was the um the

1786
01:13:51,229 --> 01:13:46,980
pregnancies

1787
01:13:54,590 --> 01:13:51,239
talking about the Twitter I'm not making

1788
01:13:55,790 --> 01:13:54,600
that up yes probably your Twitter so I

1789
01:13:57,649 --> 01:13:55,800
can't I think we're talking about the

1790
01:14:04,330 --> 01:13:57,659
Baghdad Phantom but let's talk about

1791
01:14:08,149 --> 01:14:06,530
there was there was an exchange on

1792
01:14:10,310 --> 01:14:08,159
Twitter about

1793
01:14:12,169 --> 01:14:10,320
um like

1794
01:14:15,350 --> 01:14:12,179
oh I know what you're talking about yeah

1795
01:14:18,110 --> 01:14:15,360
thank you the uh thank you they released

1796
01:14:20,689 --> 01:14:18,120
a news article like late last year I

1797
01:14:23,330 --> 01:14:20,699
think that the Pentagon had files on

1798
01:14:24,590 --> 01:14:23,340
quote unexplained pregnancies right is

1799
01:14:27,110 --> 01:14:24,600
that the thing you're talking about yes

1800
01:14:29,689 --> 01:14:27,120
that's what I was talking about yeah oh

1801
01:14:31,970 --> 01:14:29,699
that that right the move on files that

1802
01:14:34,010 --> 01:14:31,980
were uh Declassified through being in

1803
01:14:36,709 --> 01:14:34,020
the government records or whatever right

1804
01:14:40,610 --> 01:14:36,719
yes to be honest what I just what I just

1805
01:14:43,310 --> 01:14:40,620
regurgitated is all I know about it yes

1806
01:14:44,930 --> 01:14:43,320
but so let's talk about disclosure what

1807
01:14:47,930 --> 01:14:44,940
what what actually is disclosure what

1808
01:14:50,870 --> 01:14:47,940
would constitute disclosure

1809
01:14:51,830 --> 01:14:50,880
well like I was saying uh picture it's

1810
01:14:54,050 --> 01:14:51,840
you know

1811
01:14:56,330 --> 01:14:54,060
a year before season one of the X-Files

1812
01:14:59,990 --> 01:14:56,340
right the New York Times has a front

1813
01:15:02,149 --> 01:15:00,000
page article saying UFOs are real

1814
01:15:03,950 --> 01:15:02,159
would that not have been oh my God we

1815
01:15:06,890 --> 01:15:03,960
just got disclosure at that point don't

1816
01:15:09,649 --> 01:15:06,900
you think that with the advancement

1817
01:15:13,370 --> 01:15:09,659
as long as they they followed that up

1818
01:15:15,350 --> 01:15:13,380
with saying what UFOs are right but I I

1819
01:15:17,689 --> 01:15:15,360
think I don't think I totally understand

1820
01:15:20,330 --> 01:15:17,699
what you mean I think for me it's more

1821
01:15:21,649 --> 01:15:20,340
like like UFOs are real or so it's such

1822
01:15:23,330 --> 01:15:21,659
an ambiguous statement like of course

1823
01:15:25,610 --> 01:15:23,340
there's unidentified flying stuff what

1824
01:15:28,790 --> 01:15:25,620
does that actually imply though like is

1825
01:15:30,709 --> 01:15:28,800
it is it atmospheric phenomena is it

1826
01:15:34,550 --> 01:15:30,719
actual for real extraterrestrial craft

1827
01:15:36,770 --> 01:15:34,560
is it intelligent stuff uh it's it's

1828
01:15:39,229 --> 01:15:36,780
clearly intelligently controlled craft

1829
01:15:41,390 --> 01:15:39,239
of some sort that operate in ways that

1830
01:15:43,010 --> 01:15:41,400
we currently can't design or build

1831
01:15:45,110 --> 01:15:43,020
things to operate in

1832
01:15:50,890 --> 01:15:45,120
for amounts of time that we can't get

1833
01:15:54,709 --> 01:15:53,330
our government said that officially it

1834
01:15:57,229 --> 01:15:54,719
was on the front page of the New York

1835
01:15:59,330 --> 01:15:57,239
Times like that would be a huge deal 35

1836
01:16:00,830 --> 01:15:59,340
40 years ago

1837
01:16:03,770 --> 01:16:00,840
I could see that what were you saying

1838
01:16:06,290 --> 01:16:03,780
Campbell uh it came up I was uh or Joe

1839
01:16:08,510 --> 01:16:06,300
actually I didn't know you're right yeah

1840
01:16:09,830 --> 01:16:08,520
yeah either way yeah uh Joe I was

1841
01:16:12,950 --> 01:16:09,840
curious have you

1842
01:16:15,050 --> 01:16:12,960
um have you had a direct experience with

1843
01:16:17,330 --> 01:16:15,060
like UFOs

1844
01:16:19,310 --> 01:16:17,340
um or is I've seen one UFO and that's it

1845
01:16:21,830 --> 01:16:19,320
okay could you just describe it

1846
01:16:23,689 --> 01:16:21,840
literally yeah yeah it was in 2011. I

1847
01:16:25,250 --> 01:16:23,699
actually wrote a whole Reddit post uh

1848
01:16:27,229 --> 01:16:25,260
about it I'll post it in the comments on

1849
01:16:29,810 --> 01:16:27,239
the YouTube video if anyone's interested

1850
01:16:32,090 --> 01:16:29,820
but long story short it was if you were

1851
01:16:33,890 --> 01:16:32,100
to hold your arm up to the sky this is

1852
01:16:36,169 --> 01:16:33,900
how I always gauge the size

1853
01:16:38,209 --> 01:16:36,179
hold like your wrist at a 90 degree

1854
01:16:40,310 --> 01:16:38,219
angle so you got your open flat Palm it

1855
01:16:42,410 --> 01:16:40,320
was about yay big up against the sky

1856
01:16:44,570 --> 01:16:42,420
from my perspective and moved from one

1857
01:16:46,610 --> 01:16:44,580
side of the Horizon all the way to the

1858
01:16:49,310 --> 01:16:46,620
other over a span of about I don't know

1859
01:16:51,709 --> 01:16:49,320
40 seconds to 100 to a minute minute and

1860
01:16:53,689 --> 01:16:51,719
a half something like that

1861
01:16:56,030 --> 01:16:53,699
um slow enough that you could watch it

1862
01:16:58,310 --> 01:16:56,040
the entire time it wasn't outrageous and

1863
01:17:01,370 --> 01:16:58,320
it was basically like an amorphous blob

1864
01:17:04,610 --> 01:17:01,380
of plasma that was green and red and

1865
01:17:07,070 --> 01:17:04,620
yellow and this was at probably I don't

1866
01:17:09,050 --> 01:17:07,080
know 6 p.m so uh in the middle of the

1867
01:17:11,270 --> 01:17:09,060
summer in my friend's backyard four

1868
01:17:13,130 --> 01:17:11,280
other Witnesses who all to this day will

1869
01:17:14,689 --> 01:17:13,140
describe it the exact same way that I do

1870
01:17:16,250 --> 01:17:14,699
I actually just talked to one a couple

1871
01:17:18,890 --> 01:17:16,260
months ago

1872
01:17:20,030 --> 01:17:18,900
um and I had him I say I I it's funny I

1873
01:17:21,709 --> 01:17:20,040
pulled them aside I'm like pretend I

1874
01:17:22,970 --> 01:17:21,719
wasn't there explain to me what you saw

1875
01:17:24,229 --> 01:17:22,980
because it's been you know seven or

1876
01:17:27,050 --> 01:17:24,239
whatever years since we've talked about

1877
01:17:29,450 --> 01:17:27,060
it and it was exactly as I remember uh

1878
01:17:31,310 --> 01:17:29,460
where it was bizarre what what time of

1879
01:17:33,229 --> 01:17:31,320
day and where were you located if you

1880
01:17:35,990 --> 01:17:33,239
don't mind I was located in Springfield

1881
01:17:37,910 --> 01:17:36,000
Massachusetts which is a city in Western

1882
01:17:40,189 --> 01:17:37,920
Massachusetts and a friend of mine's

1883
01:17:41,689 --> 01:17:40,199
residential neighborhood backyard by a

1884
01:17:43,570 --> 01:17:41,699
lake

1885
01:17:46,130 --> 01:17:43,580
oh fascinating

1886
01:17:48,110 --> 01:17:46,140
where's Jeff from strange Recon to talk

1887
01:17:50,750 --> 01:17:48,120
about this I'd be like who's who right

1888
01:17:52,790 --> 01:17:50,760
now yeah it's probably more like a pond

1889
01:17:54,830 --> 01:17:52,800
but a big body of water and I'm sorry

1890
01:17:57,590 --> 01:17:54,840
what what time of day was it it was

1891
01:17:59,990 --> 01:17:57,600
about 6 6 30 at night it was like right

1892
01:18:01,550 --> 01:18:00,000
before the sun started to enter like the

1893
01:18:05,649 --> 01:18:01,560
Twilight Stage so like starting to get

1894
01:18:08,090 --> 01:18:05,659
dark but not dark by any means wow

1895
01:18:10,790 --> 01:18:08,100
the exact date

1896
01:18:13,189 --> 01:18:10,800
Campbell you love amorphous uh Blobs of

1897
01:18:16,430 --> 01:18:13,199
plasma right yeah the rest of plasma guy

1898
01:18:18,649 --> 01:18:16,440
Campbell yes I love them I want to marry

1899
01:18:20,149 --> 01:18:18,659
them and all that stuff yeah I like the

1900
01:18:21,649 --> 01:18:20,159
comments

1901
01:18:22,669 --> 01:18:21,659
um yeah but no that's pretty neat joke

1902
01:18:24,010 --> 01:18:22,679
cause

1903
01:18:27,890 --> 01:18:24,020
um

1904
01:18:30,169 --> 01:18:27,900
it's very similar description to uh the

1905
01:18:31,850 --> 01:18:30,179
original reports in the Declassified

1906
01:18:34,790 --> 01:18:31,860
archives right like uh project twinkle

1907
01:18:36,470 --> 01:18:34,800
US Air Force uh they were trying to say

1908
01:18:38,209 --> 01:18:36,480
Fireballs or what have you yeah yeah

1909
01:18:39,950 --> 01:18:38,219
very similar and they didn't come to a

1910
01:18:41,810 --> 01:18:39,960
conclusion on what they were there were

1911
01:18:43,910 --> 01:18:41,820
you know arguments presented in various

1912
01:18:45,290 --> 01:18:43,920
ways uh but it's almost identical and

1913
01:18:46,850 --> 01:18:45,300
it's a very consistent description

1914
01:18:49,370 --> 01:18:46,860
across time

1915
01:18:50,990 --> 01:18:49,380
um what about the observation

1916
01:18:53,149 --> 01:18:51,000
um LED you to

1917
01:18:54,890 --> 01:18:53,159
um decide that it appeared to be

1918
01:18:57,290 --> 01:18:54,900
intelligently controlled

1919
01:18:59,030 --> 01:18:57,300
you know what's funny is that I what

1920
01:19:01,310 --> 01:18:59,040
happened at the very end was the only

1921
01:19:02,990 --> 01:19:01,320
thing about it that led me to believe

1922
01:19:05,030 --> 01:19:03,000
like that wasn't just some sort of weird

1923
01:19:06,890 --> 01:19:05,040
atmospheric nor isolated you know of

1924
01:19:10,450 --> 01:19:06,900
Aurora Borealis in my kitchen no you

1925
01:19:16,550 --> 01:19:13,970
but uh right as it was getting towards

1926
01:19:18,350 --> 01:19:16,560
uh the other Horizon before it was

1927
01:19:19,430 --> 01:19:18,360
assumedly about to disappear over the

1928
01:19:23,450 --> 01:19:19,440
horizon

1929
01:19:26,090 --> 01:19:23,460
one of the one of the fainters um but

1930
01:19:27,770 --> 01:19:26,100
now but now visible oh sorry it was a

1931
01:19:29,030 --> 01:19:27,780
faint star so it was one of the brighter

1932
01:19:30,770 --> 01:19:29,040
stars in the sky I couldn't tell you

1933
01:19:32,570 --> 01:19:30,780
what it was but it wasn't dark enough to

1934
01:19:34,550 --> 01:19:32,580
see any other stars

1935
01:19:36,770 --> 01:19:34,560
it was sort of heading towards that

1936
01:19:39,169 --> 01:19:36,780
bright star and then that star got

1937
01:19:41,270 --> 01:19:39,179
really bright like a camera flash for

1938
01:19:43,490 --> 01:19:41,280
like a split second and then both were

1939
01:19:47,030 --> 01:19:45,110
and I was like well that was even

1940
01:19:48,290 --> 01:19:47,040
weirder and I just looked to my buddies

1941
01:19:50,390 --> 01:19:48,300
and they looked to me and we were like

1942
01:19:53,390 --> 01:19:50,400
what everyone just saw that right you

1943
01:19:56,030 --> 01:19:53,400
can swear it's fun okay we're like holy

1944
01:19:58,490 --> 01:19:56,040
[\h__\h] [\h__\h] this this is way too early

1945
01:20:00,590 --> 01:19:58,500
in the day for this we you know we we

1946
01:20:02,689 --> 01:20:00,600
had we were a half a beer in it's not

1947
01:20:03,830 --> 01:20:02,699
like we were we we just decided to go on

1948
01:20:05,270 --> 01:20:03,840
the backyard and do mushrooms or

1949
01:20:07,209 --> 01:20:05,280
something like that for anyways thank

1950
01:20:09,709 --> 01:20:07,219
you

1951
01:20:11,330 --> 01:20:09,719
and then to this day I'm not convinced

1952
01:20:13,550 --> 01:20:11,340
it was extraterrestrial by any stretch

1953
01:20:16,070 --> 01:20:13,560
I'm not convinced it was non-human

1954
01:20:18,830 --> 01:20:16,080
but I have no [\h__\h] idea what it was

1955
01:20:21,649 --> 01:20:18,840
and I've been unable to find anything up

1956
01:20:23,630 --> 01:20:21,659
until recently uh any video that even

1957
01:20:26,270 --> 01:20:23,640
looked remotely like it I found uh

1958
01:20:28,970 --> 01:20:26,280
someone actually uh on Twitter posted a

1959
01:20:30,709 --> 01:20:28,980
video uh either this morning or

1960
01:20:33,110 --> 01:20:30,719
yesterday I'll try to find it and I'll

1961
01:20:35,030 --> 01:20:33,120
link it in in the comments too

1962
01:20:36,410 --> 01:20:35,040
um of something that looks similar to

1963
01:20:38,689 --> 01:20:36,420
what I saw but it was about half the

1964
01:20:39,950 --> 01:20:38,699
size and about twice the distance from

1965
01:20:41,630 --> 01:20:39,960
the ground

1966
01:20:43,070 --> 01:20:41,640
so I couldn't you can't really get that

1967
01:20:44,510 --> 01:20:43,080
clear of a view of it but it was a

1968
01:20:46,070 --> 01:20:44,520
similar shape and it was moving at a

1969
01:20:47,750 --> 01:20:46,080
similar speed

1970
01:20:49,490 --> 01:20:47,760
you know I think I've mentioned this

1971
01:20:51,770 --> 01:20:49,500
before but sightings like yours I always

1972
01:20:53,990 --> 01:20:51,780
love those and it reminds me so much of

1973
01:20:57,350 --> 01:20:54,000
um Professor Michael swords uh

1974
01:20:58,669 --> 01:20:57,360
Grassroots UFOs that book that it's um I

1975
01:21:01,550 --> 01:20:58,679
talk about it on the show it's a

1976
01:21:03,709 --> 01:21:01,560
fascinating book it's like uh the kufos

1977
01:21:06,350 --> 01:21:03,719
guys were like during the during like a

1978
01:21:08,030 --> 01:21:06,360
or doing a mall tour in the 70s and 80s

1979
01:21:10,910 --> 01:21:08,040
I think just with like little kiosks and

1980
01:21:12,830 --> 01:21:10,920
stands and people would unprovoked come

1981
01:21:14,510 --> 01:21:12,840
up and just tell their sighting stories

1982
01:21:16,130 --> 01:21:14,520
and this whole this book is just like a

1983
01:21:17,630 --> 01:21:16,140
collection of those as they traveled

1984
01:21:19,310 --> 01:21:17,640
around like different malls and like

1985
01:21:21,649 --> 01:21:19,320
strip malls and stuff with their little

1986
01:21:23,870 --> 01:21:21,659
UFO presentation from you know J Allen

1987
01:21:26,390 --> 01:21:23,880
heinek's kufos yeah yeah and he just

1988
01:21:27,950 --> 01:21:26,400
reported it all so like it's all just a

1989
01:21:31,070 --> 01:21:27,960
bunch of stories like that but like

1990
01:21:33,110 --> 01:21:31,080
anytime I'm feeling like super like

1991
01:21:34,970 --> 01:21:33,120
salty cynical about UFOs or anything I

1992
01:21:36,169 --> 01:21:34,980
like to like just read some of those I'm

1993
01:21:37,370 --> 01:21:36,179
like yeah you know this is still

1994
01:21:40,550 --> 01:21:37,380
interesting to me and stuff and always

1995
01:21:41,870 --> 01:21:40,560
like kind of reels me back in that I

1996
01:21:44,689 --> 01:21:41,880
recommend that book to anyone who's

1997
01:21:46,610 --> 01:21:44,699
listening to you not as like a uh you

1998
01:21:49,370 --> 01:21:46,620
know like a Smoking Gun evidence or like

1999
01:21:51,830 --> 01:21:49,380
heavy research book but just as like uh

2000
01:21:53,750 --> 01:21:51,840
I don't know interesting I mean you can

2001
01:21:55,310 --> 01:21:53,760
like pick it up and set it down all the

2002
01:21:57,590 --> 01:21:55,320
time but it's full of stories like that

2003
01:21:59,990 --> 01:21:57,600
just regular people coming up not even

2004
01:22:02,090 --> 01:22:00,000
asked and telling similar stories like

2005
01:22:03,770 --> 01:22:02,100
that just like seeing real weird [\h__\h] in

2006
01:22:05,390 --> 01:22:03,780
this guy people love to tell their

2007
01:22:08,209 --> 01:22:05,400
stories the moment I ever say I'm into

2008
01:22:11,870 --> 01:22:08,219
UFOs I get so many stories from people

2009
01:22:13,130 --> 01:22:11,880
yeah exactly yeah Joe um I'm gonna ask

2010
01:22:16,310 --> 01:22:13,140
you something I'm always curious about

2011
01:22:17,209 --> 01:22:16,320
this uh for people who have seen things

2012
01:22:19,430 --> 01:22:17,219
um

2013
01:22:21,830 --> 01:22:19,440
did it how

2014
01:22:23,149 --> 01:22:21,840
um how did it make you feel like sort of

2015
01:22:26,330 --> 01:22:23,159
what was like the emotional or

2016
01:22:29,990 --> 01:22:26,340
psychological response to it

2017
01:22:33,169 --> 01:22:30,000
it's funny uh because I didn't really

2018
01:22:35,390 --> 01:22:33,179
feel any emotional response other than

2019
01:22:39,649 --> 01:22:35,400
you know like I just saw a brilliant

2020
01:22:41,630 --> 01:22:39,659
magic trick like yeah

2021
01:22:43,790 --> 01:22:41,640
I I kind of even though I had that

2022
01:22:45,770 --> 01:22:43,800
experience I don't really consider

2023
01:22:47,390 --> 01:22:45,780
myself an experiencer

2024
01:22:49,189 --> 01:22:47,400
right even though I guess I technically

2025
01:22:50,990 --> 01:22:49,199
should

2026
01:22:52,550 --> 01:22:51,000
um but no I didn't feel like you know

2027
01:22:55,490 --> 01:22:52,560
personally connected with it or anything

2028
01:22:57,830 --> 01:22:55,500
I totally believe that people absolutely

2029
01:22:59,810 --> 01:22:57,840
do and have a profoundly emotional

2030
01:23:01,610 --> 01:22:59,820
overwhelming experiences but now me

2031
01:23:03,350 --> 01:23:01,620
personally it was more just like

2032
01:23:06,470 --> 01:23:03,360
holy [\h__\h] I haven't seen anything like

2033
01:23:08,570 --> 01:23:06,480
that I just had my mind blown uh I wish

2034
01:23:10,850 --> 01:23:08,580
I could just look behind the stage and

2035
01:23:13,850 --> 01:23:10,860
you know see who who's in the all black

2036
01:23:15,590 --> 01:23:13,860
suit with the puppet but I can't so

2037
01:23:17,209 --> 01:23:15,600
here I am

2038
01:23:22,130 --> 01:23:17,219
something about

2039
01:23:23,750 --> 01:23:22,140
observations that I had no idea about

2040
01:23:26,450 --> 01:23:23,760
until I started reading more like

2041
01:23:27,590 --> 01:23:26,460
intensely just in the last few years is

2042
01:23:29,510 --> 01:23:27,600
that

2043
01:23:32,209 --> 01:23:29,520
like the most classic UFO descriptions

2044
01:23:34,550 --> 01:23:32,219
by uh J Al and heinek you know the Blue

2045
01:23:37,850 --> 01:23:34,560
Book lead investigator and uh astronomer

2046
01:23:40,010 --> 01:23:37,860
at Northwestern his uh descriptions of

2047
01:23:43,790 --> 01:23:40,020
the most credible cases he failed to

2048
01:23:48,430 --> 01:23:43,800
resolve were not of like machines they

2049
01:23:51,590 --> 01:23:48,440
were of uh uniformly luminous objects

2050
01:23:53,990 --> 01:23:51,600
that uh you know have these very strange

2051
01:23:56,630 --> 01:23:54,000
details and don't sound at all like what

2052
01:23:59,209 --> 01:23:56,640
I thought almost my entire you know over

2053
01:24:00,590 --> 01:23:59,219
30 years of life the UFO was I was

2054
01:24:03,890 --> 01:24:00,600
thought of it as like kind of like uh

2055
01:24:06,709 --> 01:24:03,900
you know successor flying sauce I think

2056
01:24:07,930 --> 01:24:06,719
um so Joe like when you saw that like

2057
01:24:10,370 --> 01:24:07,940
what

2058
01:24:12,110 --> 01:24:10,380
did you have in your head an idea of

2059
01:24:14,330 --> 01:24:12,120
what a flying saucer should look like at

2060
01:24:15,290 --> 01:24:14,340
that point and after you saw it how did

2061
01:24:16,550 --> 01:24:15,300
you sort of move towards that

2062
01:24:21,669 --> 01:24:16,560
categorization

2063
01:24:24,890 --> 01:24:21,679
um not only not only did I not

2064
01:24:26,750 --> 01:24:24,900
immediately connect it to a flying

2065
01:24:30,290 --> 01:24:26,760
saucer or

2066
01:24:32,209 --> 01:24:30,300
I didn't think of it as a UFO for

2067
01:24:35,209 --> 01:24:32,219
probably a year or two oh wow

2068
01:24:37,430 --> 01:24:35,219
fascinating yeah I was just like that

2069
01:24:39,590 --> 01:24:37,440
was just something that happened and it

2070
01:24:43,189 --> 01:24:39,600
was

2071
01:24:44,689 --> 01:24:43,199
absolutely a UFO but yeah probably you

2072
01:24:47,030 --> 01:24:44,699
know like like you were saying like my

2073
01:24:50,090 --> 01:24:47,040
idea of what constitutes a UFO was so

2074
01:24:51,709 --> 01:24:50,100
not that right and it took me a while to

2075
01:24:53,750 --> 01:24:51,719
be like wait a second

2076
01:24:54,950 --> 01:24:53,760
and then I called up my friends who were

2077
01:24:56,510 --> 01:24:54,960
there and I was like that was a [\h__\h]

2078
01:24:58,130 --> 01:24:56,520
UFO and then it turns out the guy who

2079
01:25:01,010 --> 01:24:58,140
lives at the house whose backyard we was

2080
01:25:03,410 --> 01:25:01,020
in sees them constantly and he's just

2081
01:25:04,790 --> 01:25:03,420
being an app cool not sending me videos

2082
01:25:07,370 --> 01:25:04,800
of himself that's that's interesting

2083
01:25:09,410 --> 01:25:07,380
that's I almost expect the opposite when

2084
01:25:11,689 --> 01:25:09,420
someone sees something they don't

2085
01:25:13,370 --> 01:25:11,699
understand they kind of like associate

2086
01:25:15,770 --> 01:25:13,380
with like what they would culturally

2087
01:25:17,810 --> 01:25:15,780
know like like everyone in the states

2088
01:25:19,310 --> 01:25:17,820
kind of culturally knows what a UFO is

2089
01:25:21,910 --> 01:25:19,320
to an extent like you see something

2090
01:25:24,169 --> 01:25:21,920
weird in the sky it typically is

2091
01:25:26,149 --> 01:25:24,179
considered a UFO so that that's pretty

2092
01:25:28,250 --> 01:25:26,159
interesting yeah I guess since it wasn't

2093
01:25:30,350 --> 01:25:28,260
a saucer or like a classic cigar shape

2094
01:25:32,330 --> 01:25:30,360
or like an orb my brain didn't make the

2095
01:25:33,110 --> 01:25:32,340
connection right away huh right I

2096
01:25:35,209 --> 01:25:33,120
actually

2097
01:25:37,310 --> 01:25:35,219
um have a friend down in Tennessee that

2098
01:25:51,550 --> 01:25:37,320
sees green Fireballs like that

2099
01:25:56,510 --> 01:25:53,510
that would be awesome

2100
01:25:58,669 --> 01:25:56,520
and if anybody wants to uh check out my

2101
01:26:01,669 --> 01:25:58,679
website you can see the Max Planck

2102
01:26:03,830 --> 01:26:01,679
Institute for plasma experiment plasma

2103
01:26:07,250 --> 01:26:03,840
experiments uh that they did in 2006

2104
01:26:09,709 --> 01:26:07,260
that produce uh green Fireballs above

2105
01:26:12,470 --> 01:26:09,719
water bodies do through a uh Electric

2106
01:26:14,270 --> 01:26:12,480
discharge into the solution so check

2107
01:26:16,310 --> 01:26:14,280
that out if you're not scientist [\h__\h]

2108
01:26:19,550 --> 01:26:16,320
Leah it's getting really close to your

2109
01:26:20,870 --> 01:26:19,560
bedtime it is I need my beauty sleep

2110
01:26:22,370 --> 01:26:20,880
um yeah we're gonna wrap up at the

2111
01:26:23,990 --> 01:26:22,380
bottom of the hour I was saying in the

2112
01:26:26,870 --> 01:26:24,000
Green Room I've been like skiing my tush

2113
01:26:29,510 --> 01:26:26,880
off like the last week and I skied 22

2114
01:26:32,689 --> 01:26:29,520
miles today so that's awesome absolutely

2115
01:26:34,189 --> 01:26:32,699
pushed thank you yes I'm well on my way

2116
01:26:36,530 --> 01:26:34,199
to actually being a skier instead of

2117
01:26:38,689 --> 01:26:36,540
just somebody who skis

2118
01:26:40,610 --> 01:26:38,699
um so yeah I'm gonna Joe Jay thank you

2119
01:26:42,050 --> 01:26:40,620
so much yeah guys for dropping by it was

2120
01:26:43,610 --> 01:26:42,060
great to see both of you very surreal

2121
01:26:45,169 --> 01:26:43,620
yeah thanks for having me I appreciate

2122
01:26:47,689 --> 01:26:45,179
it yeah thanks for having me on getting

2123
01:26:52,669 --> 01:26:47,699
me on here I'm just it's our pleasure

2124
01:26:56,629 --> 01:26:53,750
all right

2125
01:26:58,610 --> 01:26:56,639
I love these uh these these call-in

2126
01:27:00,709 --> 01:26:58,620
shows yeah me too they're a lot of fun

2127
01:27:02,870 --> 01:27:00,719
yeah they're so fun and like I love

2128
01:27:03,649 --> 01:27:02,880
seeing your drops in and also like I

2129
01:27:05,149 --> 01:27:03,659
love

2130
01:27:07,610 --> 01:27:05,159
just like hearing what people have to

2131
01:27:09,590 --> 01:27:07,620
say and all the responses are and I will

2132
01:27:11,330 --> 01:27:09,600
never ever stop being fascinated by

2133
01:27:13,310 --> 01:27:11,340
people's experiences I love when

2134
01:27:17,209 --> 01:27:13,320
experiencers tell me yeah I've seen

2135
01:27:18,229 --> 01:27:17,219
things like I eat it up I love it

2136
01:27:20,149 --> 01:27:18,239
um

2137
01:27:21,410 --> 01:27:20,159
so so

2138
01:27:24,350 --> 01:27:21,420
all right

2139
01:27:25,910 --> 01:27:24,360
what's what's on Deck what is on Deck

2140
01:27:28,070 --> 01:27:25,920
what is remember dude you were catching

2141
01:27:29,689 --> 01:27:28,080
me with my pants down I'm honestly I do

2142
01:27:31,550 --> 01:27:29,699
not have our schedule in front of me I

2143
01:27:32,890 --> 01:27:31,560
probably should shouldn't I

2144
01:27:36,050 --> 01:27:32,900
um

2145
01:27:39,970 --> 01:27:36,060
yeah so next week

2146
01:27:43,310 --> 01:27:39,980
um we have

2147
01:27:45,229 --> 01:27:43,320
oh Vanessa waloco coming on

2148
01:27:46,790 --> 01:27:45,239
um she's super cool actually Jay's a

2149
01:27:49,250 --> 01:27:46,800
connection with her she helps run pan

2150
01:27:52,550 --> 01:27:49,260
pericon oh yeah and then

2151
01:27:55,729 --> 01:27:52,560
um we have uh talisma coming on the week

2152
01:27:59,390 --> 01:27:55,739
after sweet um and then we have I

2153
01:28:01,129 --> 01:27:59,400
believe Kurt Collins yeah I I wrangled

2154
01:28:03,890 --> 01:28:01,139
Kurt Collins and then Michael Huntington

2155
01:28:09,169 --> 01:28:03,900
uh later yeah so these are these are Big

2156
01:28:11,689 --> 01:28:09,179
names no dudes coming on yeah I also

2157
01:28:15,229 --> 01:28:11,699
so we're gonna do a crossover episode uh

2158
01:28:17,570 --> 01:28:15,239
the invisible mind escape with him and

2159
01:28:19,189 --> 01:28:17,580
uh he he's he's furiously working on

2160
01:28:20,450 --> 01:28:19,199
getting his documentary out I'm gonna

2161
01:28:22,250 --> 01:28:20,460
give it a quick plug he has a

2162
01:28:25,189 --> 01:28:22,260
documentary coming out it's gonna um

2163
01:28:27,169 --> 01:28:25,199
Premiere at the Roswell UFO Expo

2164
01:28:28,669 --> 01:28:27,179
um it's called

2165
01:28:31,310 --> 01:28:28,679
um

2166
01:28:34,250 --> 01:28:31,320
as within so without from I think from

2167
01:28:35,330 --> 01:28:34,260
UFOs to DMT or something like that

2168
01:28:37,070 --> 01:28:35,340
um it's super cool it's all about

2169
01:28:38,990 --> 01:28:37,080
basically the crossover between like

2170
01:28:40,310 --> 01:28:39,000
intense psychedelic experiences and

2171
01:28:41,930 --> 01:28:40,320
ufology

2172
01:28:43,010 --> 01:28:41,940
um I actually have a little brief part

2173
01:28:43,610 --> 01:28:43,020
in it

2174
01:28:45,590 --> 01:28:43,620
um

2175
01:28:47,209 --> 01:28:45,600
super fascinating Mike's show is awesome

2176
01:28:49,610 --> 01:28:47,219
it's called Mind Escape I actually

2177
01:28:51,110 --> 01:28:49,620
co-host on it pretty regularly

2178
01:28:52,970 --> 01:28:51,120
um so if anyone wants to hear me talk

2179
01:28:55,250 --> 01:28:52,980
about ethnobotany and psychedelics and

2180
01:28:57,890 --> 01:28:55,260
all sorts of weird [\h__\h] I'm on that show

2181
01:29:00,770 --> 01:28:57,900
a couple times a month

2182
01:29:02,330 --> 01:29:00,780
yes I know winning hearts and Minds one

2183
01:29:03,950 --> 01:29:02,340
show at a time

2184
01:29:05,209 --> 01:29:03,960
um besides that

2185
01:29:06,830 --> 01:29:05,219
um everything's pretty quiet in my

2186
01:29:08,629 --> 01:29:06,840
universe I'm super excited for the

2187
01:29:09,410 --> 01:29:08,639
upcoming April conference in New York

2188
01:29:10,850 --> 01:29:09,420
City

2189
01:29:13,189 --> 01:29:10,860
um again this is the inquiry into

2190
01:29:14,689 --> 01:29:13,199
anomalous experience yeah or an almost

2191
01:29:16,370 --> 01:29:14,699
yeah an almost experience in the

2192
01:29:17,930 --> 01:29:16,380
phenomena I'm particularly excited

2193
01:29:19,550 --> 01:29:17,940
because Daniel Ingram is one of the

2194
01:29:21,169 --> 01:29:19,560
headline speakers I'm a huge fan of

2195
01:29:22,550 --> 01:29:21,179
Daniel Ingram and his work he wrote

2196
01:29:23,930 --> 01:29:22,560
mastering the core teachings of the

2197
01:29:25,430 --> 01:29:23,940
Buddha and then he also runs the

2198
01:29:26,990 --> 01:29:25,440
emergent phenomenology research

2199
01:29:28,970 --> 01:29:27,000
Consortium I've been following them for

2200
01:29:31,370 --> 01:29:28,980
a long time I mean he's very interested

2201
01:29:32,930 --> 01:29:31,380
in basically experience your phenomena

2202
01:29:36,110 --> 01:29:32,940
um so I will be in attendance at that

2203
01:29:38,450 --> 01:29:36,120
that is April 8th so is that a

2204
01:29:40,910 --> 01:29:38,460
continuity is that a continuation of the

2205
01:29:42,649 --> 01:29:40,920
uh the so you've been to the other

2206
01:29:45,229 --> 01:29:42,659
conferences is that right yes yeah okay

2207
01:29:46,850 --> 01:29:45,239
yeah nice yep um yeah it's a full day

2208
01:29:49,490 --> 01:29:46,860
conference the lineup is actually pretty

2209
01:29:51,110 --> 01:29:49,500
solid uh but honestly like the last one

2210
01:29:52,550 --> 01:29:51,120
I went to for Jeff [\h__\h] the first one

2211
01:29:54,050 --> 01:29:52,560
I went to for Mitch Horowitz and this

2212
01:29:56,750 --> 01:29:54,060
one I'm going to for Daniel Ingram

2213
01:29:57,830 --> 01:29:56,760
everybody else is an afterthought but it

2214
01:29:59,390 --> 01:29:57,840
is an impressive lineup but I never

2215
01:30:02,209 --> 01:29:59,400
definitely encourage anyone to check out

2216
01:30:04,610 --> 01:30:02,219
these conferences they're small intimate

2217
01:30:08,149 --> 01:30:04,620
it's like 100 people it's pretty cool

2218
01:30:09,950 --> 01:30:08,159
um that carpool that Joe does maybe I'll

2219
01:30:12,290 --> 01:30:09,960
come out to that

2220
01:30:14,270 --> 01:30:12,300
be fun you should with carpool you

2221
01:30:17,090 --> 01:30:14,280
totally should we also have um Kelly

2222
01:30:19,610 --> 01:30:17,100
Chase's uh conference coming up in May

2223
01:30:21,110 --> 01:30:19,620
that's in Dayton right near the Air

2224
01:30:23,990 --> 01:30:21,120
Force Base

2225
01:30:26,209 --> 01:30:24,000
um right right past yes yes right

2226
01:30:28,189 --> 01:30:26,219
Patterson that's cool um I'm gonna try

2227
01:30:30,410 --> 01:30:28,199
to swing that one to UFO heritage.com

2228
01:30:32,629 --> 01:30:30,420
it's the UFO Heritage conference I'm not

2229
01:30:34,669 --> 01:30:32,639
fingers crossed we'll see

2230
01:30:38,330 --> 01:30:34,679
um I I really want to start doing events

2231
01:30:39,830 --> 01:30:38,340
I think it would be fun yes we we the

2232
01:30:42,290 --> 01:30:39,840
four of us really need to do an event so

2233
01:30:44,270 --> 01:30:42,300
we can do a live stream from one yeah a

2234
01:30:46,189 --> 01:30:44,280
little booth do a live stream yeah it'd

2235
01:30:47,930 --> 01:30:46,199
be super cool figure out a way to make

2236
01:30:49,550 --> 01:30:47,940
it happen yes

2237
01:30:52,910 --> 01:30:49,560
I can't

2238
01:30:53,890 --> 01:30:52,920
all right anything well are we jumping

2239
01:30:56,870 --> 01:30:53,900
right now

2240
01:30:58,370 --> 01:30:56,880
no no no it's it's I can talk for

2241
01:31:00,350 --> 01:30:58,380
another couple minutes

2242
01:31:02,510 --> 01:31:00,360
um what's going on with everyone Nick

2243
01:31:03,410 --> 01:31:02,520
what are you up to besides following up

2244
01:31:05,450 --> 01:31:03,420
with Twitter

2245
01:31:08,390 --> 01:31:05,460
oh yeah Twitter

2246
01:31:12,229 --> 01:31:08,400
um which part of the intent maybe is so

2247
01:31:13,669 --> 01:31:12,239
like anytime I so sorry sorry let me

2248
01:31:16,250 --> 01:31:13,679
rewind a little bit

2249
01:31:18,770 --> 01:31:16,260
um I got a copy of uh project 1947 it's

2250
01:31:20,149 --> 01:31:18,780
a big big long paper about um the 1947

2251
01:31:22,189 --> 01:31:20,159
wave you know they kind of kicked off

2252
01:31:24,169 --> 01:31:22,199
with Kevin Arnold and um the settings

2253
01:31:25,490 --> 01:31:24,179
around then I sat down to start reading

2254
01:31:28,070 --> 01:31:25,500
it but like

2255
01:31:29,990 --> 01:31:28,080
you know every couple sentences I look

2256
01:31:31,790 --> 01:31:30,000
over and check Twitter and then like get

2257
01:31:34,310 --> 01:31:31,800
completely distracted by some stupid

2258
01:31:36,229 --> 01:31:34,320
argument so that that did contribute a

2259
01:31:38,510 --> 01:31:36,239
little bit to it so I I plan on reading

2260
01:31:41,629 --> 01:31:38,520
that but what was also distracting me it

2261
01:31:43,250 --> 01:31:41,639
was the um the early references to uh

2262
01:31:45,229 --> 01:31:43,260
Charles Fort in the Floridian Society

2263
01:31:46,610 --> 01:31:45,239
including people like Mark Probert and

2264
01:31:48,050 --> 01:31:46,620
Mead Lane

2265
01:31:50,870 --> 01:31:48,060
um and kind of their influence on the

2266
01:31:51,830 --> 01:31:50,880
UFO narrative pre- Kenneth Arnold they

2267
01:31:53,750 --> 01:31:51,840
actually

2268
01:31:56,350 --> 01:31:53,760
um were kind of proponents of an

2269
01:31:58,550 --> 01:31:56,360
interdimensional Theory kind of pre-eth

2270
01:31:59,330 --> 01:31:58,560
uh they thought they were from this kind

2271
01:32:02,330 --> 01:31:59,340
of like

2272
01:32:05,030 --> 01:32:02,340
alternate Dimension called etherea I

2273
01:32:07,250 --> 01:32:05,040
think etherea ethereum which kind of

2274
01:32:08,930 --> 01:32:07,260
like Harkens back to our old Ghosts

2275
01:32:11,990 --> 01:32:08,940
episode and kind of like

2276
01:32:14,810 --> 01:32:12,000
the the culture at the Times concept of

2277
01:32:16,310 --> 01:32:14,820
The Ether you know this like other realm

2278
01:32:18,050 --> 01:32:16,320
that these mystical things traveled

2279
01:32:20,450 --> 01:32:18,060
through so it's super interesting and it

2280
01:32:23,750 --> 01:32:20,460
seems like a huge Rabbit Hole so getting

2281
01:32:25,610 --> 01:32:23,760
Twitter off my docket kind of like is

2282
01:32:27,050 --> 01:32:25,620
helping me focus in on that I don't know

2283
01:32:28,430 --> 01:32:27,060
where that's going but it's super

2284
01:32:29,930 --> 01:32:28,440
interesting

2285
01:32:32,350 --> 01:32:29,940
cool

2286
01:32:34,910 --> 01:32:32,360
I have been liking the sort of uh

2287
01:32:37,310 --> 01:32:34,920
broader uh stuff that we've been

2288
01:32:39,649 --> 01:32:37,320
touching on like I mean the 40 and stuff

2289
01:32:41,990 --> 01:32:39,659
is a lot broader than just UFOs and then

2290
01:32:44,209 --> 01:32:42,000
yeah Mark of Visconti started talking

2291
01:32:45,649 --> 01:32:44,219
Marco's show was great the occult yeah

2292
01:32:47,810 --> 01:32:45,659
yeah I was been reading a little bit

2293
01:32:49,250 --> 01:32:47,820
about the occult uh because of that and

2294
01:32:51,890 --> 01:32:49,260
I haven't really touched on that ever

2295
01:32:54,649 --> 01:32:51,900
before uh he made me uh take a look at

2296
01:32:57,050 --> 01:32:54,659
least yeah I'm not I'm not too well read

2297
01:32:59,870 --> 01:32:57,060
up on that stuff myself either but it's

2298
01:33:01,669 --> 01:32:59,880
super fascinating yeah yeah it got uh

2299
01:33:04,810 --> 01:33:01,679
gets real messy when you get into the

2300
01:33:07,669 --> 01:33:04,820
higher levels of their little rituals

2301
01:33:10,430 --> 01:33:07,679
I know we should do a whole uh thing

2302
01:33:12,169 --> 01:33:10,440
about that it gets real uh we're talking

2303
01:33:14,750 --> 01:33:12,179
about how you do the sigil and then you

2304
01:33:16,550 --> 01:33:14,760
kind of do stuff to that and then I'm

2305
01:33:18,709 --> 01:33:16,560
talking about the sex magic yeah okay

2306
01:33:20,930 --> 01:33:18,719
cool yeah all right

2307
01:33:22,250 --> 01:33:20,940
Luis you uh you you digging into

2308
01:33:24,290 --> 01:33:22,260
anything are you reading anything right

2309
01:33:26,570 --> 01:33:24,300
now

2310
01:33:28,910 --> 01:33:26,580
um I'm reading this book by oh hang on

2311
01:33:30,970 --> 01:33:28,920
let me just oh I have a copy of that

2312
01:33:33,830 --> 01:33:30,980
book yeah

2313
01:33:36,490 --> 01:33:33,840
what the heck I know it's the it's the

2314
01:33:38,990 --> 01:33:36,500
UFOs explained right it's like

2315
01:33:40,610 --> 01:33:39,000
I could go into my bedroom and go get

2316
01:33:42,470 --> 01:33:40,620
the copy off my shelf if you want would

2317
01:33:44,590 --> 01:33:42,480
you because I can't see Luis yeah I will

2318
01:33:46,669 --> 01:33:44,600
come on

2319
01:33:47,990 --> 01:33:46,679
do you want me to I know which book

2320
01:33:49,189 --> 01:33:48,000
you're talking no I was completely

2321
01:33:51,890 --> 01:33:49,199
kidding okay

2322
01:33:55,610 --> 01:33:51,900
it's called reframing the debate there

2323
01:33:58,490 --> 01:33:55,620
you go oh right yeah oh there you go oh

2324
01:34:01,430 --> 01:33:58,500
I knew exactly what book this was very

2325
01:34:03,169 --> 01:34:01,440
cool do you like it is it good oh yeah

2326
01:34:07,669 --> 01:34:03,179
uh it's got some good entries it's got

2327
01:34:10,669 --> 01:34:07,679
an entry by Jack Brewer Nicole Collins

2328
01:34:12,410 --> 01:34:10,679
oh oh nice were you uh were you reading

2329
01:34:18,790 --> 01:34:12,420
that on the stream just now

2330
01:34:23,450 --> 01:34:21,430
yeah

2331
01:34:25,430 --> 01:34:23,460
you know what you're going right back to

2332
01:34:27,290 --> 01:34:25,440
you already started yeah that's just

2333
01:34:29,450 --> 01:34:27,300
that you you had that on hand so quick

2334
01:34:32,709 --> 01:34:29,460
Amateur hour tonight she's like right

2335
01:34:38,209 --> 01:34:36,050
what about you what's going on

2336
01:34:41,689 --> 01:34:38,219
um yeah a lot a lot I can't talk about

2337
01:34:45,110 --> 01:34:41,699
it so much and so busy

2338
01:34:46,370 --> 01:34:45,120
got it yeah no no not too much I always

2339
01:34:47,750 --> 01:34:46,380
feel like a teacher coming around and

2340
01:34:49,910 --> 01:34:47,760
collecting homework from the class when

2341
01:34:52,189 --> 01:34:49,920
I asked that question yeah no I mean not

2342
01:34:54,290 --> 01:34:52,199
just doing like prep for those start of

2343
01:34:56,450 --> 01:34:54,300
the season in the spring and stuff uh

2344
01:34:57,890 --> 01:34:56,460
nothing really directly UFO related

2345
01:35:00,649 --> 01:34:57,900
honestly

2346
01:35:02,510 --> 01:35:00,659
it was a starburst V or a Simon call an

2347
01:35:04,970 --> 01:35:02,520
opal fruit I think I think they're

2348
01:35:07,729 --> 01:35:04,980
called opal fruit in the UK

2349
01:35:10,129 --> 01:35:07,739
delicious they're called Starburst yeah

2350
01:35:10,970 --> 01:35:10,139
they're called fruit in the UK opal

2351
01:35:14,629 --> 01:35:10,980
fruit

2352
01:35:15,950 --> 01:35:14,639
that isn't he still in the chat all

2353
01:35:17,750 --> 01:35:15,960
right is anyone from the UK in the chat

2354
01:35:19,910 --> 01:35:17,760
they're opal fruit no they're probably

2355
01:35:22,669 --> 01:35:19,920
asleep because it's like 4 30 in the

2356
01:35:23,689 --> 01:35:22,679
morning there 3 30. anyway

2357
01:35:25,930 --> 01:35:23,699
all right

2358
01:35:29,870 --> 01:35:25,940
I need to go to bed

2359
01:35:30,950 --> 01:35:29,880
oh my gosh all right as always thank you

2360
01:35:32,550 --> 01:35:30,960
so much

2361
01:35:34,850 --> 01:35:32,560
thanks

2362
01:36:10,189 --> 01:35:34,860
[Music]

2363
01:36:17,730 --> 01:36:12,370
foreign

2364
01:36:20,310 --> 01:36:17,740
[Music]

2365
01:36:24,070 --> 01:36:20,320
[Applause]

2366
01:36:25,990 --> 01:36:24,080
[Music]

2367
01:36:53,450 --> 01:36:26,000
thank you